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New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio #844717
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Is this a re-post? Sorry if it is.. This is really going to open a can of worms. Rules are rules. We can't fight, just have to abide, but man it's going to suck.. Truck and trailer combined weight. Screwing Ohio landscapers, racers,

http://fullerisford.wordpress.com/2010/0...1-to-26000-lbs/

New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26,000 lbs.
The Public Utilities Commsission (PUCO) has recently revised its rules for motor carrier transportation safety. The newly revised rules extend PUCO’s jurisdiction to regulate vehicle safety to vehicles that are operating on a not-for-hire basis within the state with a GVWR of 10,001 to 26,000 pounds.

Active enforcement of the revised rules will not begin until January 1, 2011. No forfeitures or monetary penalties will be issued until this date unless violations are egregious. PUCO and the Ohio State Patrol have been instructed to use these inspections as opportunities to educate the driver/carrier.

The following is a summary of the requirements if the GVWR is 10,001 or more:

o Drivers must have a medical certificate (NO CDL IS REQUIRED)
o The truck or van must have company marking on each door
o Fire extinguisher must be accessible and secured
o Annual vehicle inspection
o Vehicle equipment must be in proper working order
o Maintenance records must be maintained
o Must maintain $1 million of insurance when hauling vehicles
o When motor vehicles are hauled there are special requirements for securing the load that must be followed
o A driver qualification file must be maintained – including the application for hire and the medical certificate
o Log books must be maintained, unless:
o If the vehicle(s) is within 150 miles of the business no log book needs to be maintained IF
o The driver returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;
o The driver does not drive more than 11 hours;
o The driver must have at least 10 hours off between 12 hour shifts; and
o The company maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate time records.
If my vehicle has a GVWR of 10,001 or more and crosses state lines to make pick ups or deliveries, what else must be done?

o The vehicle must have a USDOT number if the vehicle crosses state lines
o The application for a USDOT number will require a safety audit from the PUCO
o Information on obtaining a USDOT number may be found at www.fmcsa.dot.gov
How can I assure that my company’s vehicles do not fall under these new rules?

o Ensure your vehicle GVWR is less than 10,001 pounds if possible. HOWEVER, BE SURE THAT ANY LOAD DOES NOT EXCEED THE VEHICLE’S LOAD CAPACITY!
o If you are using a truck and trailer combination to move cars or motorcycles/APV’s you may not be able to avoid these new rules as the GVWR of the truck and trailer must be less than 10,001 pounds.
Vehicles and drivers that are found to be in noncompliance can be pulled from service on the spot. Additionally, monetary fines may be issued by PUCO. Active enforcement will begin January 1, 2011.


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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: sunroofgtx] #844718
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sounds like a good reason not to live in Ohio one more state to add to my list


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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: dusturbd340W5] #844719
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I believe if you look into this you will find exemptions for recreational use vehicles

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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: dusturbd340W5] #844720
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I do not read that to apply to private vehicles



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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: rickstershemi] #844721
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I believe if you look into this you will find exemptions for recreational use vehicles

Rickster




That's correct, what am I gonna put on my doors? Gary's RV?? lol

Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: max_maniac] #844722
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I hope not, but if a trailer is over 3k, it's licensed as a commercial trailer.Page 5 states we are Private carriers. Diesel Ram = 7k + car = 11k + 28' trailer = Private carrier over 10k..

http://www.puco.ohio.gov/emplibrary/file...June%202010.pdf


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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: sunroofgtx] #844723
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Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: max_maniac] #844724
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Quote:

I do not read that to apply to private vehicles


Russ




You and many others fell for the trap. Check archives on the topic.

Anyway, first "they" will go after all the commercial vehicles for reasons that escape me, and most will look the other way, and use the excuse they are an "RV", and then someday some SA will use the valid reason, "hey an unsafe RV can kill just like a commercial vehicle", and all the commercial vehicle ownsers will look the other way. We get the regulations we deserve/don't fight. So much for small gov.

Me, I'd compromise and increase the cut-off from 10K to 26K, but unfortunately to many little dictators running around would have to give up some of thier new found authority.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: sunroofgtx] #844725
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I hope not, but if a trailer is over 3k, it's licensed as a commercial trailer.Page 5 states we are Private carriers. Diesel Ram = 7k + car = 11k + 28' trailer = Private carrier over 10k..

http://www.puco.ohio.gov/emplibrary/file...June%202010.pdf






"Private Commercial Carrier"

I work for a company that has their own "Private Fleet" of trucks that are NOT for HIRE and that is what they are referring to

Russ

Re: New Regulations For Vehicles With GVWR of 10,001 to 26k [Re: max_maniac] #844726
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I have already been stopped and ticketed in the company truck. I was told at the time this is not for personal stuff as in rvs, boats and things like that.I am pertty sure anything over 26001k must have cdl.I was told that they were cracking down on people useing pickups and trailers to move product to cut cost.Most of the trucks i see are way to small for want they are doing with them.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: sunroofgtx] #844727
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Yup, as soon as you put anything on the outside of your trailer or truck, your commercial.

When I had a big time sponsor, they asked about lettering my trailer. I explained to them the requirements and asked for a extra 15K for the record keeping. The trailer stayed plain.

I have been employing hazmat drivers since 1984. PUCO spends 3 days here auditing my records every 3 years.

I have towed over 150K miles with my race equipment in the last 15 years and have never been hassled.

But I don't have billy bob racing down the side of my trailer either.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: Challenger 1] #844728
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This does not apply if the OWNER of the vehicle is driving it. I recently changed my duallie tags from Comm'l Truck to passenger car. If the tow vehicle is licensed in an individual's name, and that individual is driving, this doesn't apply. RVs and trailers can still be cited for length limits (stay out of Illinois) and any vehicle can be pulled over if it appears overweight or dragging a**. The name thing on the side is true. Barney can pull you over to verify things if he's having a bad day.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: sixpackjeff] #844729
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Refreshing news, guys. Just got off of the phone with Johnny Law. They said if their is ANY lettering on the trailer,if the trailer is used for commerce(selling parts, any parts), and if the racecar is used as a business, the vehicles fall into these regulations.


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Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: sunroofgtx] #844730
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another reason to leave Blohio.
They institute garbage like this while the caravans of mexican crap just waltz thru the boarder.
More pain on small biz like yours.
So I cant sell my used parts out of the back of trailer?
Blohio, the downward spiral continues.

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Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: theclutcher] #844731
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If you think leaving Ohio is the solution, Mexico is your solution, these are US laws, the states just enforce them, slowly but nevertheless on the way.


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Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: jcc] #844732
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mexico not the solution.
just fed up with ohio bs vs some of the stuff going on throughout rest of country.
Never said anything about mexico being good.
on the contrary.
Stop the cheap flow of goods on dilapidated trucks.
Seal the border with landmines, hell with fences.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: theclutcher] #844733
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I'm not Ohio, but here's something to think about:

I heard directly from an Indiana DOT enforcer, in a DOT-related training class, within the last year, that:
if you are using the vehicle to make money you fall under their blanket of commercial vehicle.

So if you're hauling a car to the scrapyard and will receive $ for it, you are commercial at that point.

He also said having 'not for hire' on your door does not make any difference.

Lots of gray area involved, and some of you guys will fall under the net of commercial unless you're prepared to spin a convincing story to The Man if he pulls you over.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: Fury Fan] #844734
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Quote:

I'm not Ohio, but here's something to think about:

I heard directly from an Indiana DOT enforcer, in a DOT-related training class, within the last year, that:
if you are using the vehicle to make money you fall under their blanket of commercial vehicle.

So if you're hauling a car to the scrapyard and will receive $ for it, you are commercial at that point.

He also said having 'not for hire' on your door does not make any difference.

Lots of gray area involved, and some of you guys will fall under the net of commercial unless you're prepared to spin a convincing story to The Man if he pulls you over.




Everyone knows if you win at racing, then you get $$. So that's why you don't put joe blow racing down the side of your trailer.

Your right, not for hire don't mean anything except, look at me.

I have enjoyed many of road trips in our great country pulling my 49' enclosed trailer and have never been pulled over. I don't speed and take care of my equipment. It's clean and polished before I leave my shop. It has worked for me in many different states. They don't hassel operators with good maintained equipment.

If your stuff looks like you don't do anything to it from week to week then they are looking for you.

Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: Fury Fan] #844735
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It's going to be a tough pill to swallow. I only set up at 4 shows a year, selling and making wire sets. Going to change a lot of thinking for those shows.


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Re: New Regs For Tow vehicles GVWR of 10k to 26k Ohio [Re: sunroofgtx] #844736
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I suggest a clean white trailer Rick, and use banners at the races on the outside of your trailer.

Otherwise get with the program and maintain records for the DOT. Although I wouldn't recomend it unless your gonna be traveling full time.

It's not impossible to maintain records, I do it everyday. It's not cheap either.

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