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Re: 69 440
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10/30/10 09:23 AM
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would a C body have a hp2 block. On the top pad it has E440 wouldn't that be a 69 engine?
Yes a C body could have an HP 2 block, the ONLY thing the 2 signifies is the engine was ASSEMBLED on the SECOND SHIFT .
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Re: 69 440
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10/30/10 09:28 AM
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hey John, i have emailed the company and they are trying to find the build sheet, i sure hope they can, i wld just like having the specs, i plan on changing the cam anyway, i wld just like to have this info, thanks for your help, i will post the results once i have them
thanks
Unfortunatly no one is going to be able to answer the question for you unless they have Xray vision works from 1000 miles away , sorry .
JD , I threw out the .100 in the hole number because the engine was rebuilt and that's the piston that usually ends up getting bought because it's the next step down from a 6pk piston . The 76 engine in Q5 Ed's 69 A12 was rebuilt and they rebuilt it to 76 spec instead of something resembling 69 spec, pistons were .175ish in the hole.
It sounds like this engine came from a general engine rebuilder, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the pistons it had .
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Re: 69 440
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10/30/10 01:28 PM
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hey John, i have emailed the company and they are trying to find the build sheet, i sure hope they can, i wld just like having the specs, i plan on changing the cam anyway, i wld just like to have this info, thanks for your help, i will post the results once i have them
thanks
Unfortunatly no one is going to be able to answer the question for you unless they have Xray vision works from 1000 miles away , sorry .
JD , I threw out the .100 in the hole number because the engine was rebuilt and that's the piston that usually ends up getting bought because it's the next step down from a 6pk piston . The 76 engine in Q5 Ed's 69 A12 was rebuilt and they rebuilt it to 76 spec instead of something resembling 69 spec, pistons were .175ish in the hole.
It sounds like this engine came from a general engine rebuilder, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the pistons it had .
 All of the big remanufacturers fill the engines with low performance junk. The engine will not be to stock spec because there is nothing sold as far as a camshaft or pistons that will put a 440 to stock high performance spec. A buddy of mine bought a Road Runner with the numbers matching 383 in it rebuilt by Jasper. It runs like a low performance 383 out of a C body. Runs nice though, just not a big power maker. It actually knocks down 20 mpg on the highway with 3.23s.
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Re: 69 440
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Looks like a cast crank to me...
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I didn't even notice that, OP I hope you really did SCORE that one cheap because you didn't get what you thought you got, cast crank, cheap replacement timing chain, I'd be willing to wager the pistons are late model low compression slugs .150-.175 in the hole .
If it we me I'd be pulling a head to see what is in there instead of waiting to hear from the shop that built that.
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Re: 69 440
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10/31/10 11:44 PM
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i just went to the web site of the rebuild company and this what they have listed on their site , this is what they did to the my 440
What are the engine specifications?
Engines remanufactured by our remanufacturing line meet or exceed O.E.M. specifications.
- New Manley valves
- New Elgin valve springs and keepers
- New Badger pistons
- New Hastings molly rings
- New Dynagear timing gears and Durabond cam bearings
- New Dynagear timing gears and chain
- New Elgin lifters, push rods, rockers, balls and nuts
- New Dynagear oil pump
- New FelPro gaskets
- Cylinder heads are pressure checked
- Diamond honed valve guides
- Three angle cut valve seats
- All head surfaces are broached
- Blocks are bored with deck plates, cylinder walls are diamond honed
- Crankshafts are ground and polished for .002 clearance
- Camshafts are ground to O.E.M. specifications, hardened and polished
- Connecting rods are sized to .002 clearance
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Re: 69 440
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11/01/10 12:53 AM
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well i guess i am not a trained eye, everything looks to be new, the heads are awsome, all new springs, rocker arms, shafts, all new valves, new pistons, for the price , i cannot go wrong, i have a 68 forged crank, i guess worse case senerio is i will have to reinstall some better pistons and better cam, for 800.00 i think i am well ahead of the game on this motor. i did go out and compare the forged crank to cast crank and now it is plain as day, i am really glad i did not pay anymore for unkown motor, i still think i can salvage this deal and be okay 
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Re: 69 440
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11/02/10 03:32 AM
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talked with the company today that rebuilt the motor, the build sheet is gone, and this is the email i got back from the manager, he says
That engine was sold as a 73-80 truck engine with a cast crank externally balanced. The blocks were all the same so the 69 was probably all we had at the time. Also that engine was purchased in April of 2007.
so if the motor was built as a truck motor, what will i need to change out to make it a car motor?
i have a buddy that has a set of trw forged pistons 10 to 1 and i have a forged crank, wld it be better for me to swap all this out?
thanks
The engine looks nice. Sounds like it is built as mild low compression engine. My main concern is you will need to get the correct dampner and flexplate/converter/flywheel for the external balance cast crank. It would take alot to change the necessary parts to make it a high performance engine, so I suggest using it as it is.
If your set on a HP engine, you would want higher compression pistons and have the crank internally balanced. If you start changing parts out on that engine to make it a HP engine, I really think you would be money ahead to build a new performance engine and sell that one for a profit as you should be able to get more for it than what you paid?
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Re: 69 440
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11/02/10 09:00 AM
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how can i get a est. of the compression on this motor with taking off the head? i talked with the company today, they do not have build sheet , the guy sd they wld not have put lower than 9 to 1 he says this engine most likley 9.5 to 1 which wld be okay for me,
Sorry, but they are full of it ... PULL the head, it's not that big a deal.
JD , I can't remember ever seeing a dished 440 piston other than a lightweight forged piece. instead of using a dish Chrysler just lowered the piston in the hole, but did the aftermarket make a cast dish piston ?
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