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Re: Pinion angle [Re: RapidRobert] #839069
10/29/10 07:36 PM
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Someone had said in a prior (rear axle) post that the magnetic gauges were actually not very accurate. I had thought they were a staple when measuring angles for this. What should be used.





I bought a digital level - reads out to the 1/10 th of a degree. I think I paid about $30 for it.

Re: Pinion angle [Re: Stanton] #839070
10/29/10 10:31 PM
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Someone had said in a prior (rear axle) post that the magnetic gauges were actually not very accurate. I had thought they were a staple when measuring angles for this. What should be used.





I bought a digital level - reads out to the 1/10 th of a degree. I think I paid about $30 for it.








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Re: Pinion angle [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #839071
10/30/10 07:16 AM
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Some very good info here. My question is how is the best way to check the transmission angle, in relation to the pinion angle. Do you measure off the yokes?
Second, I have a 67 B body that I have had a very long time. Over the coarse of years it has had a 440, a 426 Hemi, different torque converters,drive shafts, a Dana and a 8 3/4 rear. It has had different wheels and tires and different sets of gears.
The one thing that has always stayed is the surging vibration. If you run the car hard up to 80 mph and up you can not see out of the mirrors and everything in the car is shaking and vibrating. Sometimes very violent, and the next time hardly at all.
One night on the interstate the back of the transmission went south at about 130 mph . After all of these changes could this all be caused by the pinion angle? The only thing that I don't believe has been changed is the rear leaf springs.

Thanks
Dan




Did you use the XHD spring and never changed them out after so many years? Or did you use the factory 440 Magnum hd spring with the same duration of use? Weak springs GIVE a LOT of positive pinion angle (nose UP) when worn!! Note: HEMIS (all trans) and 440-6pack (all trans)440 Magnum (4speed ONLY w/DANA) use the SAME XHD spring. ALL 340, 360 HP, 383-400-440 Magnum engines (440's w/auto and 8-3/4 or DANA rears) use the "standard" HD spring.






This is an original Hemi car. All stock suspension. I bought the car in 1978, and the car had been parked for awhile before that. It only had 27,000 miles. So I have had this problem since 1980 when the car was put back on the road.
Where should you check off of on the transmission??

Thanks
Dan.

Re: Pinion angle [Re: mopar4ya] #839072
10/30/10 10:21 AM
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Alot of great info here, thanks guys. My car has a 383 in it. I want to put at least a 400 or a 440 in her. I'll probably put XHD springs on it. Whats the difference in the two? Is it an extra leaf, arch, or both? This is why I want to know about the pinion angle. Have a reference of where it is originally and if and when I change the rear leafs to a angle suitable.

Re: Pinion angle [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #839073
10/30/10 11:23 AM
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Someone had said in a prior (rear axle) post that the magnetic gauges were actually not very accurate. I had thought they were a staple when measuring angles for this. What should be used.




I bought a digital level - reads out to the 1/10 th of a degree. I think I paid about $30 for it.





Cant go wrong for $30. Thanks Stanton


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Re: Pinion angle [Re: mopar4ya] #839074
10/30/10 11:37 AM
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This is an original Hemi car. All stock suspension. I bought the car in 1978, and the car had been parked for awhile before that. It only had 27,000 miles. So I have had this problem since 1980 when the car was put back on the road.
Where should you check off of on the transmission??

The springs, after sitting for a while developed
sag or a "set" in them. I guess that the car was
not raised on jackstands to allow the springs to "keep" it's natural arch. Hemicars, have torque boxes at the front spring eye mounts. Check to be sure, sometimes Magnum models get a
Hemi swapped in them and are passed off as such.
No insult, just be sure. The HEMI or XHD springs
are great springs for the street, great ride comfort and adequate traction with a pinion snubber set right. Can NEVER beat a good set of superstock springs or caltracs for strip use!!
To set the angle at the transmission, measure the
angle of the yoke (rear of tranny/driveshaft). It should be
2.5 degrees or less, BUT NEVER ZERO DEGREES. Once
you have that setting, you can set the pinion angle carefully. It would be BEST to do these settings on a drive-on lift or alignment rack, if you can. Mopar Performance sells the spring (wedgees) shims to set up to approximately
10 degrees. Its is NOT recommended to exceed this setting for the street. 3-8 degrees is a wide enough range to work with (engine power/car weight/age and other chassis mods depending). Food
for thought ! BTW, Hemi, big block or high
winding smallblock in a car that sat, do yourself a justice, CHANGE the rear springs!!



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Re: Pinion angle [Re: 71rm23] #839075
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Alot of great info here, thanks guys. My car has a 383 in it. I want to put at least a 400 or a 440 in her. I'll probably put XHD springs on it. Whats the difference in the two? Is it an extra leaf, arch, or both? This is why I want to know about the pinion angle. Have a reference of where it is originally and if and when I change the rear leafs to a angle suitable.




XHD Springs a a sort of "severe duty" street spring, with the comprimises of a decent ride level, good suspension control for handling and
decent launches at the track or stoplight. An all
around multipurpose, durable spring. It does have a leaf or two more than the "standard" HD
spring, and a extra clamp on the springs. They are different from the Superstock springs. As far as the settings are concerned, it would be depending on the factors listed in my earlier post. If you are putting in the XHD's and you do a little strip work, invest in a adjustable pinion snubber, it does help!!


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Re: Pinion angle [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #839076
10/31/10 03:16 PM
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I had a bad torque converter do that to me. I could be going 55mph and have a violet vibration and sometimes it wouldn't be there. If it was real bad, would then put the tranny in neutral and rev the engine up a few times. Put it back in drive and the vibration would be mostly gone.

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