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Re: What's the point of valve lash ? [Re: Stanton] #836924
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A zero lash cam would have to much duration for best results.




Not true. All cam specs are based on the actual lobe, not the "after lash" measurement. Subsequently a .600" lift cam with .020" lash will only yeild .580" lift.

And more to your point, if lash is .020 then whatever the .050 duration spec is remains unchanged at the valve since the lash is already taken up before the .050 point. Only the "advertised" duration would be less at the valve after the lash adjustment.



If you understand this so well, what is the point of your post?


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Re: What's the point of valve lash ? [Re: Twostick] #836925
10/24/10 12:32 PM
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The best scenario would be instant open/instant close on the valves, but that isn't possible. Yet.




Actually it is "possible". A buddy of mine in the R+D biz says Honda has an engine with no cam that uses an ECM and solenoids or stepper motors to open/close the valves. Think of the possibilities, infinite cam timing changes on the fly so it can idle like a stocker and pull like a prostocker on the topside and everything in between. The wonders of modern technology .

I can't even imagine the $$$$.

Kevin




I'm pretty sure that's how a F-1 car is setup


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Re: What's the point of valve lash ? [Re: gregsdart] #836926
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Anyone heard the term 'lash ramp'.............to agressive & it will bust parts up pretty quickly , now imagine an agressive ramp with no lash.

Re: What's the point of valve lash ? [Re: StripeHOG] #836927
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I think with aluminium heads you could run a solid cammed engine with zero-lash cold, but better make sure you set the lash on one of the coldest days of the year, otherwise you might have starting-issues.

By the way, I'm running solid lifters on a hydraulic cam with .004 - .006" lash. No problems.

Re: [Re: RodStRace] #836928
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Just guessing here, since I don't work for a valvetrain manufacturer, but allowing for the valve to fully seat on the head and cool is part of it, along with allowing oil into each point of contact bewteen parts.





this is what I've always been told. Some cam profiles need more lash to get proper lube/cooling time.

Re: [Re: 66er] #836929
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All lobes are different , why deviate from cam manu reccomended settings? , to tight on a loose lash grind will break parts fast , changes in rocker ratio will require different lash settings for that particular cam , going from 1.5rr to 1.7rr could net a .003" change in lash (looser) , lash ramp x RR = valve lash.

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Re: [Re: 602heavy] #836930
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If you understand this so well, what is the point of your post?





I don't understand the purpose of lash .. otherwise, as my wife's often told me, I know it all!


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