Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
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10/23/10 05:16 PM
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When we went through this last week, that is what I suggested as well. Mongoose, you need to get a voltmeter and check for ohm's and ac voltage. You should get 375 to 450 ohms when tested and 1 volt AC when you spin the dizzy. If you find that to the issue take you're meter to the store with you and test the new one at least for ohms before you leave the store.
yeah i remember you suggesting that, I think it was my own sillyness thinking "oh it's a new part, how can it be bad internally" But I remembered it's a MP piece..
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Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
[Re: MonGoo$e]
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10/23/10 05:27 PM
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you have fire from the coil to dist secondary wire (the dist end) held 1/4" from ground sparking repeatedly when someone cranks it w the key but no fire at the plugs when you plug this wire back in the center cap terminal & go to start it w the key? or do you mean you have fire at the plugs but it will not start? On the reluctor I'd turn the timing marks to 10 BTDC on #1 compression & check if the rotor is pretty close to being under the #1 cap terminal and the reluctor is very near dead even w the magnet slot as it fires just after the reluctor blade moves away (in the direction of rotation as you know) from the magnet. this'll tell you that your initial and phasing are close. The fighting to keep it running sure sounds like classic ECU failure & it's possible for the 2nd one to be bad. 4 pin ECU? Still no go, jump fire from the starter relay large batt terminal to (A) the "point" of the pentastar connector on the ECU (all a 4 pin ECU needs) and (B) fire to the upstream side of the ballast and (C) a jumper from the downstream side of the ballast to the coil positive pri terminal. (D) Jump the starter at the starter relay & lets get this thing going. 4 pin ECU only needs fire at 1 terminal (the "point"), the coil only needs fire to the positive pri terminal (either full voltage in "start" or ballast reduced in "run") and the ECU only needs to be triggered by the dist to make/break the coil negative pri terminal to ground (& the ECU case grounded well) and the dist pickup only needs to trigger the ECU to make/break the coils' aforementioned neg pri to ground. It must start! EDIT you would set the timing marks at your initial amt rather than the 10 I stated (if it gets to that point).
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Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
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10/23/10 08:32 PM
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I'll look into the TQ issue, i had DemonSizzler go through it but the bowl seems a little "aged" so to speak.
It started, and I took it out for about an hour, no issues with that part of it really.. shut it down a couple times and it starter right back up, had to adjust idle setting to get it right.
Bugs me that i can't really "drive it" though, i put 93 in it with some octane boost, timing is at about 10+ initial on this stock dist. it likes to ping when under a load so I have to grandma it everywhere. Along with vibration in drivetrain and a "thud thud thud somewhere in the rear when i brake for a stop..lol I guess I'll get it all figured out, maybe go for a colder plug first...
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Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
[Re: MonGoo$e]
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10/23/10 11:49 PM
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Well we got it running. I dont think those octane boosters do much. Might need to proportion in some race gas then you can get on it & enjoy it. EDIT know that pinging is VERY damaging & must be taken care of
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Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
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10/24/10 12:17 PM
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Bugs me that i can't really "drive it" though, i put 93 in it with some octane boost, timing is at about 10+ initial on this stock dist. it likes to ping when under a load so I have to grandma it everywhere.
Have you checked you're harmonic balancer to be sure it has not slipped? It is possible that you ave it more advanced than you think. Pull #1 plug and bring it up to TDC on compression stroke and see where you're mark is in relation to the 0 on the block. Just a thought.
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Re: well, my cars ignition completely has me stumped.
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10/24/10 12:40 PM
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Had some weird starting issues when I first bought my Duster like no fire and starting when I just let go of the key. I changed the ECU but still had issues. I have the 4 prong resistor and two of the leads were swapped when I checked them against the FSM electrical schematic which I believe was my whole problem.
1970 FE5 Duster 360/904/3.91's SOLD
1973 TB3 SpaceDuster 340/4spd/4.10's SOLD
Moparless for now but when the opportunity is right I'll have another one.
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