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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: dodge turbo] #834576
10/23/10 09:54 AM
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Flipped?

Do you mean swapped?

I can see a right side fitting the left side but I can't see them bolting on upside down.


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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: dodge turbo] #834577
10/23/10 02:22 PM
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Why relocate the alt? Use the factory acc brackets...Works like a champ!

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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: feets] #834578
10/24/10 08:17 AM
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Quote:

Flipped?

Do you mean swapped?

I can see a right side fitting the left side but I can't see them bolting on upside down.




flipped / swapped what ever.....passenger side on the drivers side and the drivers side on the passneger side


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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: dodge turbo] #834579
10/25/10 09:56 AM
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manifolds off a mag motor fit perfect in an a-body flipped side to side




Do they clear the PS gearbox or is manual steering required?

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: Fury Fan] #834580
10/26/10 08:37 AM
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The p/s manifold on the car will work great on d/s I just need to find a d/s that will work on the p/s.

Anybody use a set-up like this?

http://www.votionspeed.com/servlet/the-949/TYPE-5-Water-to/Detail

It seems it would work great for something that may get stuck in traffic or long periods of low speed? And the price is very comparable to a decent air-to-air setup when considering how much less piping you need to buy..


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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: F1Scamp] #834581
10/26/10 05:53 PM
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Core size on that one is a joke of any real power.

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: F1Scamp] #834582
10/26/10 08:24 PM
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This A/W intercooler setup will melt 20 lbs of ice on a single pass on a 100° day with an IAT thru the traps at about 90°.


Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: gdonovan] #834583
10/27/10 09:02 AM
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Core size on that one is a joke of any real power.




So your saying it should be fine for a stock bottom end 318?


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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: F1Scamp] #834584
10/27/10 10:48 AM
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The stock bottom end won't be the issue unless you rattle it. That small core won't be very effective or efficient - which could lead to detonation and the demise of the pistons and rod bearings. The larger and more effective the intercooler, the less prone to high IATs and detonation.

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: Duner] #834585
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Duner has far more experience than me (and a lot of us, I suspect), but I'll throw out a tidbit I got from the Corky Bell book last night -

(paraphrased)If running lower boost levels (less than 7-8?) an intercooler is of reduced benefit and efficiency of the compressor is a better place too focus. Learn to read the maps for various compressors and find one with an efficiency greater than 70% for the usage you intend.

Duner's right, detonation is a prime killer for a shortblock, a good tune can prevent problems, but high ACT temps make a safe tune more challenging.

As with most things, low-buck requires more attention in the planning stages. GIGO.

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: Fury Fan] #834586
10/27/10 05:16 PM
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I had trouble with my 4.7 Dakota pinging when I wasn't in boost and just driving normally in traffic. The addition of the turbo and the fact that the radiator's hot air was blowing over the charge air pipe between the turbo and the throttle body meant that my IATs were in the 170° range when NOT in boost and in the 250° range when in 7 psi of boost. Too hot!

Adding the intercooler cured the problem completely. Granted - I'm trying to operate my vehicles here on the surface of the sun, but it gets hot everywhere sometime. Intercoolers are worth the effort.

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: Duner] #834587
10/27/10 06:31 PM
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Quote:

Intercoolers are worth the effort.




Closest thing you will get to a free lunch, to give you an idea how good it is...

One a typical turbo mopar without an interccoler you can run 6-7 psi of boost on 87 octane swill and chances are you will start pinging.

With an intercooler? I have run 18 psi on the same gas. =)

Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: gdonovan] #834588
10/28/10 02:32 PM
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I def. will run an intercooler, I was just thinking a water to air intercooler would be more efficent than air to air. The same company makes bigger intercooler's for not much more money.

I have been doing somemore research on the turbo sizing.... I think this would be a pretty good choice. Might be alittle small, but I am not going for broke.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...RK%3AMEWNX%3AIT


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Re: Low buck 318 build... [Re: F1Scamp] #834589
10/28/10 03:54 PM
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Here's a link to info on the 'Chinese GT45 Y2004K' turbo. I have not read all these pages so I don't know how the story turns out.

http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96046.0

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