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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/27/10 02:11 PM
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It is just another case of selfishness, it is rampant in this country and will be the death of it.  We are just caretakers of the rare art that we own and nobody gets out of this alive. If you think you own your house or any other property after it is paid off, you are sorely mistaken.  What a shame... 
Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: JohnRR]
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10/27/10 09:59 PM
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: Aero426]
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10/27/10 11:12 PM
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
What is lost?  look at the barrelcuda look what can be gained?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: moparpollack]
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10/27/10 11:31 PM
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
What is lost? look at the barrelcuda look what can be gained?
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Once the car is incorrectly concourse restored to satisfy the purASSist , the repair s will not be scene unless the car is stripped to bare metal.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/28/10 11:06 AM
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John, are you suggesting it's alright to do whatever, as long as you cover it up good?
Of course, that would include doing whatever to conceal work done, or not done as in a numbers swap?
Many of the high end cars that are restored have had MAJOR repair work done that is hidden by spit shined underchassis paint work , why should this car be any different when it finally gets the restoration it DESERVES ?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: moparpollack]
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10/28/10 11:12 AM
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My point was they are made of metal and can be repaired to looks factory new.
Yes, and valuable paintings are just canvas and paint. The car is worth more than the sum of its parts. The point is, the car has now been soiled. It is on its way to being "just another old drag car" that someone cut on.
As to the comment on the Barrelcuda, with ALL due respect to Alan and Keith Sims  on the fine job done, it's not a car I would personally desire to own because of the amount of reconstruction.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: Aero426]
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10/28/10 11:40 AM
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My point was they are made of metal and can be repaired to looks factory new.
Yes, and valuable paintings are just canvas and paint. The car is worth more than the sum of its parts. The point is, the car has now been soiled. It is on its way to being "just another old drag car" that someone cut on.
That's an elitist way of looking at them, but it's your choice. You could use that derogatory way of thinking for just about everything in general .
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: JohnRR]
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10/28/10 12:57 PM
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That's an elitist way of looking at them, but it's your choice. You could use that derogatory way of thinking for just about everything in general .
As far as I am concerned, there is a pecking order to these cars. Some are better than others. You have to sort them out somehow, so call it what you want.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
[Re: Dave Watt]
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10/28/10 01:03 PM
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... I've explained to non-gearheads that when I'm replacing a major body panel, I think of each spot weld as basically being a bolt holding things together and that it just takes more labor to undo it. It's not rocket science to reconstruct something on down the line if the wheel house or similar part has been hacked on. 
With regard to this car, it's more a question of whether the "bolts" should have been undone in the first place. If this were 1973, nobody would think twice about cutting on a race car like this, or the viability of future restoration. But it's not 1973 anymore.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/28/10 06:48 PM
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I may have missed some pictures of what is being done, so bear with me, but what is SO wrong?
They cut the floor to put in frame connectors and beefed up the rollcage. Fine, but maybe that will save the body from twisting up. It's getting a fuel cell. Maybe that will keep it from burning to the ground.
It was a race car before and it's a race car now.
I'm not even slightly with runing automotive history but from what I saw in the pictures this car is not being ruined. It's getting ready to race again. It looks like they are doing a pretty decent job.
Yes, it's being changed. Yes it's the rarest of the rare. But it's not like the guy is tubbing it and sending it to Chip Foose to get it all smoothed out and pearl painted.
very clever dinner. appetizing food fit neatly into interesting round pie.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/28/10 08:47 PM
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If I am following along correctly, the guy has owned this car since the late 60s, and is staring his own mortality in the face.
I really cannot blame him for doing things on his own terms. What we get in experiences out of this one-and-only life matter more than all the Hemis in the world.
The man has a long term connection with the car, and wants to do something extraordinary in his life before passing on to who knows where.
If that is most important to him, who am I to condemn him? Yes, he could go out and find a 318 car and make the mods. However, it just would not be the same (again, he has a bond/relationship/connection...stop laughing! We all do this!) to that particular car.
To get a little more insight on this, rent "Love The Beast." Any car lover should sit down and watch it, particularly with the other half. My wife and I watched it a few weeks ago, and she came away with a much bigger appreciation of my love of cars.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/28/10 09:03 PM
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If I am following along correctly, the guy has owned this car since the late 60s, and is staring his own mortality in the face.
I really cannot blame him for doing things on his own terms. What we get in experiences out of this one-and-only life matter more than all the Hemis in the world.
The man has a long term connection with the car, and wants to do something extraordinary in his life before passing on to who knows where.
If that is most important to him, who am I to condemn him? Yes, he could go out and find a 318 car and make the mods. However, it just would not be the same (again, he has a bond/relationship/connection...stop laughing! We all do this!) to that particular car.
To get a little more insight on this, rent "Love The Beast." Any car lover should sit down and watch it, particularly with the other half. My wife and I watched it a few weeks ago, and she came away with a much bigger appreciation of my love of cars.
Like a broken clock, every once in awhile you look at a New Bee post and realize its correct. 
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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10/28/10 09:18 PM
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Owner can do what ever he wants with HIS car.....
I stopped at this post! It is the only one that made any sense. Sad (actually odd) that this guys car has such a personal and emotional impact on so many people.
So.............what other subject matter can we debate today that has no effect or personal consequence to our lives whatsoever? 
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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10/28/10 11:31 PM
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I think a few people in the stands said Hemi Fred was nuts after doing that Wheel Stand, but it had nothing to do with the car being the Sox and Martin Duster. Fred is an example of just how much FUN you can have with any Mopar. I wonder how many people said things in the negative way when people were cutting up all those Real Hemi E Bodies and racing the crap out of them way back in 1970 and 1971. I own one of those cut up rare pieces of crap and its the most fun I have ever had with any car.
1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
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