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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
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10/12/10 09:55 PM
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dOoC
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all of the valve body bolts finger loose or backed out a couple threads.
What do you guys think ?????
SEE comment above .....
SEE if you can have him FIX the trans that he messed-up .. but be-sure he is sober !
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: dOoC]
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10/12/10 10:18 PM
10/12/10 10:18 PM
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Clintwood VA
johnedod
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the loose bolts on the valve body didn't matter he said it didn't have to be a perfect seal  Auto transmissions work by hydraulic pressure. A perfect seal is essential.
Johnedod
68 Road Runner
71 Road Runner
78 Power Wagon
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
#820772
10/12/10 10:35 PM
10/12/10 10:35 PM
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Fat_Mike
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He's going to warranty the tranny but it's the torque converter that I'm worried about. If the TC was the problem I don't know if I want to try another one from the same company. The Tc company will fix it for $60 plus shipping but is it worth possibly trashing another tranny ? Could the loose valve body have caused this problem ?
That puts you in a tough spot. Do you let him screw it up again for "free" or take it elsewhere and pay again? I suppose the fact that it's paid for (and you won't get your money back) means you have to give him another shot. I'm sure the thought isn't comforting...
By the way, how would one know if his TC was bad???
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
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10/13/10 10:44 AM
10/13/10 10:44 AM
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denfireguy
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Ok the guy that built the tranny was able to take the tranny apart today. He found a cracked pressure plate and all of the valve body bolts finger loose or backed out a couple threads. He said the pressure plate most likely cracked because of heat and the loose bolts on the valve body didn't matter he said it didn't have to be a perfect seal. The filter was full as stumpy said with a bunch of finely ground up aluminum. He said it was the torque converter that went bad and caused the problem. What do you guys think ?????
If it would work with loose bolts, Mother Mopar would not ask for 35 inch pounds of torque on them. Plate warpage was due to fluid pressing on an unsupported plate. IMHO he forgot to tighten the screws.
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
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10/13/10 10:56 AM
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JohnRR
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Ok the guy that built the tranny was able to take the tranny apart today. He found a cracked pressure plate and all of the valve body bolts finger loose or backed out a couple threads. He said the pressure plate most likely cracked because of heat and the loose bolts on the valve body didn't matter he said it didn't have to be a perfect seal. The filter was full as stumpy said with a bunch of finely ground up aluminum. He said it was the torque converter that went bad and caused the problem. What do you guys think ?????
Which valve body bolts were loose , the ones holding it to the case or the ones holding the halves together ? What did the rear support where the mainshaft rides look like ? If all the crap came from the convertor it should have destroyed that part and the possibly mainshaft.
If he is going to warranty it he knows that what he did had to do with it going south .
I would get a better convertor.
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: johnedod]
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10/13/10 11:07 AM
10/13/10 11:07 AM
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Southwest, Mi.
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the loose bolts on the valve body didn't matter he said it didn't have to be a perfect seal
Thats like saying that it does not matter if the head boles in the engine are loose because the pistons move a lot of air.
That guy needs to be ran out of business, after he repairs your trans, gets you a new converter and you watch him torque the valve body bolts. 
How big is your cooler, and are you running the trans fluid through the radiator tank and then through the cooler?
Back in the 70's I ran a B&M J 5000 stall on the street all of the time and it was sweet.
Talk to Rick at A&A transmission and have him build you a nice 3200 stall convereter.
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
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10/13/10 01:13 PM
10/13/10 01:13 PM
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So Cal
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Boy the 727 is about the easiest tranny to build if he can't do that he needs to retire. All the crap you see in the converter could have been from the tranny.
If it is a big name converter I would have it rebuilt and sell it. Ask them if anything failed as the tranny guy could just be feeding you another line of crap. Then get a slightly smaller converter if your cam can handle it.
If he knew that he was the one who screwed up he should be able to rebuild the tranny correctly as there are not many trannies simpler than the 727
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: denfireguy]
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10/13/10 01:53 PM
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JohnRR
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Ok the guy that built the tranny was able to take the tranny apart today. He found a cracked pressure plate and all of the valve body bolts finger loose or backed out a couple threads. He said the pressure plate most likely cracked because of heat and the loose bolts on the valve body didn't matter he said it didn't have to be a perfect seal. The filter was full as stumpy said with a bunch of finely ground up aluminum. He said it was the torque converter that went bad and caused the problem. What do you guys think ?????
If it would work with loose bolts, Mother Mopar would not ask for 35 inch pounds of torque on them. Plate warpage was due to fluid pressing on an unsupported plate. IMHO he forgot to tighten the screws.
Craig
Maybe that's why they loosened because the spec is 75 inch pounds
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Re: Tranny problem anybody have any ideas
[Re: Boise Chall]
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10/13/10 01:56 PM
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JohnRR
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the loose bolts are the ones that hold the valve body to the case. He said everything looked good in the trans except for the 1 cracked pressure plate. He said it would need what he called a "soft rebuild" and everything would need to be cleaned. The cooler I run is 12 x 14 and I have it running through the radiator then through the cooler. My engine temps are normally 180-190 I have 185 T-stat.
The guy is an   if he is trying to tell you them being finger tight is ok. I actually have a gasket between the VB and case in my 2000 Ram 47RE to help against the pressure loss, is it needed , probably not but my trans still works well behind my hot rod Cummins 127k miles later.
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