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Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped Seam #811320
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I've seen many original/unrestored T/A-AAR 340+6 base plate seals that have the 2"-3" black cloth like tape covering the splice/seam which was typically glued together with the yellow 3M type glue.But my question is,where the shaker base plates also given the treatment over the seam?Or was it something that happened just to the T/A-AAR seals?? McCannix you out there.....

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped Seam [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #811321
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Shaker, AAR/TA and A12 bases. The seal peels up if you don't tape them. Looks like crap too.

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped Seam [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #811322
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Shaker hood gaskets also had the black tape covering the orange/yellow glue holding the two ends together.

Here is an original seal/tape off a 71 Hemi Cuda SPD January 15th 1971. *Terry, this one had the screw/washer holding the cable to the bubble.

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped Seam [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #811323
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Everything stated here pretty pretty much sums it up, however on a Fram print I saw, there was a cutoff date when the tape was deleted.
Therefore not all E-body assembly line installed shaker seals received the tape treatment.
The screw and washer at the rear of scoop where the short cable exited was also deleted during production, and the 440-6 shaker feet brackets had a deleted date which is why so many of the over the counter ones never had the brackets

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped [Re: mccannix] #811324
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Would the tape be standard on A12 seals also? The A12 Runner I bought in 1972 had a taped seam. It looked the same as the wide black masking tape used to tape up the plastic vapor barrier between the inside door panel and door?

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I thought it was determined that the A12's did not have the taped seam?
There is no evidence of either the butter bee or 5600 bee being taped.


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Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped [Re: a12superbee] #811328
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The two different size seal material was received at Fram in 1969 in 1000 foot rolls from the original vendor in Virginia.
Initally they were all cut by hand and glued with 3M glue and installed.
Going from memory what a Fram employee told me in 82 when I was there was that in the beginning they knew the learning process would result in a lot of sloppy joints thereby the idea of using the tape was to cover a poor joint or one that was coming apart.
The tape use is shown on the adapter/base blueprint.
As time went on and the process became more refined, the use of the tape was discarded.
All the NOS seals I have ever received in boxes had no tape and the joint was near perfect, but then again that is NOS and not assembly line. As for the A12's, I dont know whether they received tape or not.
As the hood pushed them down, most came apart a bit at the seam which should have constituted use of tape but of all the A12's I have seen, few if any had the tape on the seal.

Scott...that 71 Hemicuda is great a reference, obviously never touched.
My 71 Hemicuda Dec 22 SPD 30,000 mile purchased from original owner had no tape and no washer so there is not a lot of rhyme or reason for some of these procedures.
I plan on talking to or going to see my retired friend from Fram in October, will see if I can jog his memory on some of these things.

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Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped [Re: a12superbee] #811329
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Maybe Fram just taped up the ones where the seams were not made well? I was the second owner in 1972 of my old black Runner and the seam was taped. I taped the one on my current A12 because of the unsightly gap in the original seal. It's a good fix that looks factory...

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #811330
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Terry here's the underside of the shaker bubble off that same car, notice the use of a strip of masking tape to hold the cable in the grooves? Screw and (very crude) washer are also visible.

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #811331
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Yes, I have a few of those Scott with both the masking tape and washer/phillips screw and some without.
I believe the operation of the carb-air cable combined with the stiffness of the short cable and the sharp bend caused it to jump out of the groove in the scoop.
The solution for a period of time was to use the washer/screw and, or the tape to hold it in place.

Here's a little tidbit of info from a Fram print mentioning washer and screw being deleted.
It could be interpreted as the washer/screw deletion was either scheduled for 10-30-69 which we know wasn't followed through on since there are numerous known examples existing well after then, or , they didn't add the scheduled date to the print in corresponding column.
That more likely being the case, its anyone's guess as to when this was implemented.

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Looks like mine had the tape. I'll have to check and see if there is any evidence of a screw.

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I bought an NOS in the box TA aircleaner years ago and it came with the tape on the seal.

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I bought an NOS in the box TA aircleaner years ago and it came with the tape on the seal.



If they put tape on the TA/AAR's, wouldn't it stand to reason that they would have done it on the A12's too?

Re: Original Shaker and AAR/TA Base Plate Seals--Taped Seam [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #811335
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FYI, I have purchased two different strips of tape available out there. One from Frank Badalson, one from RestoRick. I prefer the one from Badalson, but it is pricier than the one from Rick. I don't know exactly what the originals looked like in person, but I'd imagine they were a bit thicker like the ones Badalson has.

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I bought an NOS in the box TA aircleaner years ago and it came with the tape on the seal.


That is a thing of beauty Floyd.
The NOS one I have oddly doesnt have the tape.
Most NOS TA bases as well as A12's used the cool larger "Made in Canada" stamp like that

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Quote:

Quote:

I bought an NOS in the box TA aircleaner years ago and it came with the tape on the seal.


That is a thing of beauty Floyd.
The NOS one I have oddly doesnt have the tape.
Most NOS TA bases as well as A12's used the cool larger "Made in Canada" stamp like that




Man Terry you never cease to amaze me with all the info!
Do you have the same "Made in Canada" tatoo?

Dave

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Quote:

Quote:

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I bought an NOS in the box TA aircleaner years ago and it came with the tape on the seal.


That is a thing of beauty Floyd.
The NOS one I have oddly doesnt have the tape.
Most NOS TA bases as well as A12's used the cool larger "Made in Canada" stamp like that




Man Terry you never cease to amaze me with all the info!
Do you have the same "Made in Canada" tatoo?

Dave




LOL - Was thinking the very same thing.

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That'd be a cool tattoo if you were Canadian!

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