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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/19/10 08:26 PM
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If a US pilot can fly a plane with 300 passengers aboard above populated cities with up to a .04 blood alcohol level, I think one man can safely race one other man after blowing a .027.
"Zero Tolerance" is just plain foolish.
I wonder how many racers have been disqualified for eating a poppy seed bagel before a race, or a hot dog with a poppy seed bun. Either one can make you test positive for opiates 
THERE you go .... and what-is-up with this "rule" anyways ?
Did this happen when Bud pulled all their major-$$$$ out of NHRA ?
 
The testing started back in the ninty's after the Alderman's problem happened. When I was working for NHRA I built steps into the mobil office trailer set up for testing the next year at the Gators. 
You have to remember, testing costs money, need I say more.
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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09/19/10 09:01 PM
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I love AJ....but he gets no sympathy from me on this one.
He's a professional....he has people who relate to what he does off and on the track. This probably was a fluke....it probably is explainable. But, when you do it for a living, and your in the goldfish bowl, you've got to be extra careful. You may not like it, it may not be fair, but that is the way it is. It comes with the job.
I doubt they do anything more to him....but, he knows better.
You that are more Holy than others need to take a look in the mirror. 
I can't believe some of the comments here.
He wasn't driving the race car. Qualifying didn't start for a couple hours. If he would have been given the 15 min CDL rule he could have gone back to his trailer and brushed his teeth, ate something, and most likely passed, and still had a couple hours before qualifying.
So when are they going to test everyone.  Sportsman included. I don't know a single sportsman driver who has done a blow test.
My point being, why just the Pros?
Man oh man, there would be a bunch of suspended sportsman drivers based on a ZERO breath test..
This whole thing stinks.. 
Chris..
Chris they do test sportsman racers at National Events....it's random 
Rickster
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/19/10 10:29 PM
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I love AJ....but he gets no sympathy from me on this one.
He's a professional....he has people who relate to what he does off and on the track. This probably was a fluke....it probably is explainable. But, when you do it for a living, and your in the goldfish bowl, you've got to be extra careful. You may not like it, it may not be fair, but that is the way it is. It comes with the job.
I doubt they do anything more to him....but, he knows better.
You that are more Holy than others need to take a look in the mirror.
I can't believe some of the comments here.
He wasn't driving the race car. Qualifying didn't start for a couple hours. If he would have been given the 15 min CDL rule he could have gone back to his trailer and brushed his teeth, ate something, and most likely passed, and still had a couple hours before qualifying.
So when are they going to test everyone. Sportsman included. I don't know a single sportsman driver who has done a blow test.
My point being, why just the Pros?
Man oh man, there would be a bunch of suspended sportsman drivers based on a ZERO breath test..
This whole thing stinks..
Chris..
Chris they do test sportsman racers at National Events....it's random
Rickster
That may be true Rick, but I've never seen it or heard of any Sportsman driver tested.
BTW, just saw the rule on the telecast and it states "all competitors while at the racing premises".. 
So I would guess about 80% of the drivers would be in violation at almost every event.. (ZERO on the breath test).. 
Don't get me wrong here.. I hate drunk drivers, most are fools.. But you are putting people in a bad way here by basically insinuating they are a drunk race car driver because you blow .02...  (AJ wasn't driving).. CDL is .02 and the 15 min. rule. But then you are only put off duty, (when that close and if not operating the Vehicle). Then back on duty I believe after 8 hrs.
Stupid rule, just plain stupid.. IMO..
If NHRA really believes their crap, they should test ALL drivers just before going up to staging each and every time.
Then what about crew members, pretty dangerous up at the staging lanes.. Next the fans, got to be alert because it's dangerous out there..
Chris.. 
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/19/10 10:36 PM
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The testing started back in the ninty's after the Alderman's problem happened. When I was working for NHRA I built steps into the mobil office trailer set up for testing the next year at the Gators.
You have to remember, testing costs money, need I say more.
BUT ....this heavy-handed ?
When I was a NHRA sponsor and attended A LOT of national events the booze(especially Bud and Miller beer) that was being consumed by other sponsors and drivers was amazing.
I never saw any driver DRUNK .. but feeling-real-good ....roger that ...
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/19/10 10:59 PM
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I love AJ....but he gets no sympathy from me on this one.
He's a professional....he has people who relate to what he does off and on the track. This probably was a fluke....it probably is explainable. But, when you do it for a living, and your in the goldfish bowl, you've got to be extra careful. You may not like it, it may not be fair, but that is the way it is. It comes with the job.
I doubt they do anything more to him....but, he knows better.
You that are more Holy than others need to take a look in the mirror.
I can't believe some of the comments here.
He wasn't driving the race car. Qualifying didn't start for a couple hours. If he would have been given the 15 min CDL rule he could have gone back to his trailer and brushed his teeth, ate something, and most likely passed, and still had a couple hours before qualifying.
So when are they going to test everyone. Sportsman included. I don't know a single sportsman driver who has done a blow test.
My point being, why just the Pros?
Man oh man, there would be a bunch of suspended sportsman drivers based on a ZERO breath test..
This whole thing stinks..
Chris..
Chris they do test sportsman racers at National Events....it's random
Rickster
That may be true Rick, but I've never seen it or heard of any Sportsman driver tested.
BTW, just saw the rule on the telecast and it states "all competitors while at the racing premises"..
So I would guess about 80% of the drivers would be in violation at almost every event.. (ZERO on the breath test)..
Don't get me wrong here.. I hate drunk drivers, most are fools.. But you are putting people in a bad way here by basically insinuating they are a drunk race car driver because you blow .02... (AJ wasn't driving).. CDL is .02 and the 15 min. rule. But then you are only put off duty, (when that close and if not operating the Vehicle). Then back on duty I believe after 8 hrs.
Stupid rule, just plain stupid.. IMO..
If NHRA really believes their crap, they should test ALL drivers just before going up to staging each and every time.
Then what about crew members, pretty dangerous up at the staging lanes.. Next the fans, got to be alert because it's dangerous out there..
Chris..
I was pulled for random testing at Pomona a few years back and know lots of Sportsman drivers in the Stock & SS ranks who have been selected. It's very common.
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/19/10 11:34 PM
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That may be true Rick, but I've never seen it or heard of any Sportsman driver tested.
I have a friend who has been racing a V/SA car for 4 years. He's been tested twice. Once at a national event and once at a divisional.
See... Now I have..  Maybe those drivers have a reputation for tipping too many..
But my point is still being missed.. Oh well.
Chris.. 
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 12:24 PM
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Oh the political correctness in this country... SUCKS. If only we really were free, we could speak and do as we please with our lips minds and bodies. It aint happening. Bow to big brother, corps and religious do gooders   and
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 03:16 PM
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Some of the comments here are VERY  1) NHRA's been ramdom tesing ALL drivers for years. 2) There is a ZERO tollerance that applies. 3) AJ blew something more than ZERO. 4) He explained himself and I'm SURE he didn't think what he consumed the night before would be an issue. I wouldn't have either... It's NHRA's deal and like it or not, it's their rules.
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 03:43 PM
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Allens mistake was not waiting to take the test as he was allowed to do. You can bet no other drivers will make that mistake again.
Allen said he supports NHRA and their rules and that he will abide by whatever penalties NHRA assess.
NHRA had NO CHOICE but to follow their own rules on this and DQ him for the event.
Hopefully, considering AJ's acceptance of the ruling, statements of support of NHRA, and his apology, NHRA will finally make a smart decision and not impose any further penalty. AJ will have recieved a substantial setback and everyone can move on.
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 05:07 PM
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NHRA had NO CHOICE but to follow their own rules on this and DQ him for the event.
So if NHRA realised by its own rules he had a 24 hr window, and they had half a brain and realised maybe the rule was not achieving the desired resultt, all they had to do was say let us check calibrattion of the machine, and come back in a couple of hours. And Before the next event change the rules that if any reading exceeding a minor amount(#?), you have the option of not racing say for 2? hours and retaking the test. Come guys, rules aren't in stone, they are seldom pewrfect (sp?  ), and nearly always have unintended consequences, and can be improved.
There are choices if you man/smart enough to make them.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 06:27 PM
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As an example of a bad rule that was changed a week later was: Jim Furyk in the PGA Golf tourney, when he missed his pro am tee time. He was suspended from the entire tourney, even though the Pro-Am was a volunteer event. So when Phil Mickelson voiced his opinion very harshly, the rule was changed the next week. The penalty didn't match the violation and it cost Furyk a chance for the Fed Ex Cup.. $10,000,000.00 first place. If AJ was just banned for that day (pending him coming back with a ZERO) and a hefty fine, the penalty would be enough punishment..IMO.. Chris..
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Re: ALLEN JOHNSON DQ'ED FROM NHRA O'REILLY NATS
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09/20/10 10:18 PM
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A.J. was tested on Saturday morning, and as of round 2 qualifying Friday he was #7. In my opinion NHRA should have let him sit out Saturday qualifying, and if his number still stands after round 4 was over and he would still be qualified, they should test him again on Sunday Morning and let him run. If that would have took place, he would have ended up qualified # 10 and would have ran against Shane Gray and then bumped K.J. out Just my
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that's a big 10-4