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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: tjmarcus1]
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I don't know what type of injector the R/T had so I can't speak on that. I mentioned a disc-type injector earlier. In this pic, the 2nd and 4th injectors from the right are the ones I was talking about. The 2nd from right is the 'skinny' injector I mentioned. Both are common in Ford 5.0 and 4.6 engines, probably others, too.
'94-97-ish Magnums have a gray injector with 2 holes in the disc (not in the pic). I don't know what the earlier Magnums had.
Generally speaking, a finer mist should give a better burn, but there are exceptions where a specific pattern is more advantageous. As an example, the Y-shaped pattern (4th from left) is generally used in a 4-valve cylinder head so that 1 injector can aim at both valves.
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: Leon441]
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09/09/10 11:08 AM
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I have one of those engines here, it s going in my -55 coronet, been on the planning stage for a few years now  since the valiant survived this years racing without any bigger mishaps maybe this winter... not wanna hijack your tread but is there something else to look at that helps mileage? gas is expensive here and I rather spend my money on the race car 
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: mafo]
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Here is my plans. The block has had several freeze plug failures and has 120,000 miles in short trip driving. Hot tank block freeze plugs and cam bearings. I plan on a Custom Set of Daimond slugs. Looking for maximum quench minimum compression. I mean maximum on the quench scary tight clearance considered by most. Then I am planning a dish that would make one think I was running a turbo deisel. I already have a set of Iron Ram heads.
Then going to do some intake work with the stock intake. In your case you probably are not concerned with stock appearance. The Hughes Edelbrock FI intake is supposed to be the stuff. I just want stock appearance for those that keep missing that. I also have no concerns with performance over 3,000 RPM. And by posting this in the race only section people just can't grasp that one.LOL Just figured more likely to find someone in here with pictures than in the general forum.
Came up lite on the pictures and heavy on the opinions.
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: Leon441]
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09/09/10 12:55 PM
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Yes, you’re in the Race section, so yeah, guys that come in here aren’t geared toward your question.
‘Lite on pictures’… Did you join the website I linked to earlier? There are pics there, however the pics in this thread pretty much show the things that can be done. In the past year or so I have researched and found 2-3 webboards that have pics of beerbarrel mods. Bionicdodge, a Dakota-Durango forum, etc. They all show pretty much the same thing. You shorten the runners for RPM (which is not what you’re wanting) or fill the top of the plenum with epoxy and/or do the airfoil thing. You will either need to try those things yourself or come up with something new.
Based on the large quench pad on the Maggie head, and the high-comp piston you described, I think it would be a perfect application for Singh Grooves (if you are willing to experiment with a ‘snake oil’ type of thing -- I would if I had more time).
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: Leon441]
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09/09/10 03:32 PM
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Here is my plans. The block has had several freeze plug failures and has 120,000 miles in short trip driving. Hot tank block freeze plugs and cam bearings. I plan on a Custom Set of Daimond slugs. Looking for maximum quench minimum compression. I mean maximum on the quench scary tight clearance considered by most. Then I am planning a dish that would make one think I was running a turbo deisel. I already have a set of Iron Ram heads.
Then going to do some intake work with the stock intake. In your case you probably are not concerned with stock appearance. The Hughes Edelbrock FI intake is supposed to be the stuff. I just want stock appearance for those that keep missing that. I also have no concerns with performance over 3,000 RPM. And by posting this in the race only section people just can't grasp that one.LOL Just figured more likely to find someone in here with pictures than in the general forum.
Came up lite on the pictures and heavy on the opinions.
Leon
so is this for a 360 that's in the R/T or a 318? I wouldn't go too big on dish...I'd aim for ~10-10.5:1 compression with tight quench. might be suprised at what you can get away with compression wise with tight quench. if it does ping a bit on high load, you could look at water injection like the turbo guys use
for a cam, I'd probably look at getting the cam reground by bullet, looking at the HR252/320 or HR253/305 lobe for the intake, and the HRL256A lobe for the exhaust (http://bulletcams.com/Masters/HRlobes.htm) and maybe see if they could regrind it a little tighter, like on a 110-112LSA vs. the factory magnum's 114, and install it ~106-108 ICL.
I don't understand the need for expensive pistons, I'd probably look at flat tops (KB107 or 167's depending on displacement, or their forged counterparts), and if you wanted to keep compression down on a 360, some KB362's or the icon 742's....
hotroddave had good luck running a high compression 318 (IIRC he was around 10:1 with 302 heads and KB167's at 0 deck) and using a 273 solid cam (240/240 adv, IIRC)...IIRC it ran on 87 or 89 octane without knock. he also got 29mpg in his A body with a t-quad.
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: patrick]
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09/09/10 03:54 PM
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I could live with 29 mpg Leon, to me this and race engines are basically the same thing, getting more power from the same amount of fuel I like your "diesel" theory this has nothing to do with the subject but I remember that saab experimented with variable cr, very high under light load and less with higher load, worked well but I guess it was to expensive to produce just pretty hard to do on a v8
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
[Re: Leon441]
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09/09/10 05:11 PM
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Here is my plans. The block has had several freeze plug failures and has 120,000 miles in short trip driving. Hot tank block freeze plugs and cam bearings. I plan on a Custom Set of Daimond slugs. Looking for maximum quench minimum compression. I mean maximum on the quench scary tight clearance considered by most. Then I am planning a dish that would make one think I was running a turbo deisel. I already have a set of Iron Ram heads.
Then going to do some intake work with the stock intake. In your case you probably are not concerned with stock appearance. The Hughes Edelbrock FI intake is supposed to be the stuff. I just want stock appearance for those that keep missing that. I also have no concerns with performance over 3,000 RPM. And by posting this in the race only section people just can't grasp that one.LOL Just figured more likely to find someone in here with pictures than in the general forum.
Came up lite on the pictures and heavy on the opinions.
Leon
Are you adamant about using the factory EFI?
If not have you considered the FAST EZ efi setup?
I am going to do a dual TB setup on my r3. I'm really excited about it because I will actually be able to drive it instead if sitting there with a laptop for 6 months in a state of confusion. 
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
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09/11/10 06:09 AM
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This turtle on the plenum plate looks nice. My only question is it appears it would block airflow to the runner? Do you want to have that.
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
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Leon did you ever do this engine? If yes what was the final combo? What were the results?
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Re: magnum beer keg intake mods
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Drive tge awd durango daily. A lot of intake work. Gas mileage still bad.
But, it will sqaul the left front on the hit unless you put it in 4high.
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