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'70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? #784719
08/26/10 01:17 PM
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I bought a pwr steering shaft on ebay to convert my manual column. The shaft I received is easily collapsible. My manual shaft cannot be collapsed and neither can my pwr e body shaft.

There appears to be two dowels in the shaft and I know this is in case of a wreck. But I am worried that the dowels are broken on my "new" shaft.

Is there a problem with installing it this way?

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784720
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I bought a pwr steering shaft on ebay to convert my manual column. The shaft I received is easily collapsible. My manual shaft cannot be collapsed and neither can my pwr e body shaft.

There appears to be two dowels in the shaft and I know this is in case of a wreck. But I am worried that the dowels are broken on my "new" shaft.

Is there a problem with installing it this way?




Yes, they are broken. You will see where the holes were filled with plastic shear pins. I have always just converted power columns to manual by collapsing the pin, pulling the shaft apart until the next set of holes line up and using a roll pin in it's place. Probably not ultra safe, but these are usually strip only cars... I once built up a 340 A-body and converted it to manual steering. The column I bought had a broken plastic shear pin and I figured once it was all bolted in the car that it would be fine, well one evening, I had a couple of buddies in the Scamp doing some "spirited" driving on the highway very late in the night and once we arrived at my house, while turning into the driveway, the steering wheel just spun around with no resistance at all! I realized shortly after, that with body flex, the shaft started to compress and eventually became too short and pulled the shoes and spring out of the pot coupling. Very scary to say the least

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: 70440+6bbl] #784721
08/26/10 03:59 PM
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Yikes.

Well can I just find some plastic dowels and fix it?? I don't like the idea of being impaled or losing my steering.

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784722
08/26/10 05:44 PM
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They are not drilled through as you would think. The inner shaft is undercut around the area where the holes are from my experience. Jules had a post on this a while back maybe contact him to see what he used. When I took mine apart I was going to drill straight through the inner shaft and use a small plastic bolt to secure the inner and outer shafts together. I opted for a JB weld type epoxy just in that area instead. I used very little as I wanted it to still function properly. But I figured if I ever neede it to colapse because of a collision like that I would have bigger problems. Hope this helps

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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: SixPackRT] #784723
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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #784724
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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #784725
08/26/10 06:37 PM
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Very helpful. So I should drill out what's left of the plastic plugs and fill with JBweld or similar? Maybe find plastic plug solution? What do you do Jules??

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784726
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I would just pour some super glue in your holes and let it set.
Those injections are just for assembly purposes. In an accident
severe enough to collapse the shaft, the super glue will bust.
Jules

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #784727
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Ok, so I want to make sure and get it secured at the right spot. So what is the total overall length of the shaft supposed to be for a '70 B body with power steering? Is that the same for and e body?

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784728
08/28/10 02:37 PM
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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784729
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You need to take the column apart and then take the shaft comletely apart to remove the broken plastic pieces.
Then clean the area and use a single mix super glue product. It need to be very thin to penetrate the small opening.
The measurement is simply to center recessed grooves in the inner column to the holes in the outer.. there should be some dirt marks or clean spots on the pieces to help find the right place.
Here is a couple of photos of my 68 B body column.

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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: sthemi] #784730
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Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: sthemi] #784731
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Yes, that's the issue. Getting the two holes centered. My two sections don't want to come apart easily, and I am trying to be careful because I already painted the shaft and don't want to have to do it again. I guess I'll have to be a little more stern with it and get the two sections to come apart and take measurements before I put it back together and do the glue thing...

Re: '70 Bee. Column shaft supposed to collapse so easy? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #784732
08/29/10 10:00 PM
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Everything turned out good. I cut out all the plastic and injected gel type Super glue. Worked perfectly. THANKS everyone.







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