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I'm sure the judging has evolved quite a bit since 2008...The judges learn something new every year as the level of restoration goes up....
I'm certain, by today's standards there are cars that won Gold five years ago that would most likely only achieve Silver today

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Dave....if you have learned things over the last few years, why can't the judges.

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Dave....if you have learned things over the last few years, why can't the judges.

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Steve Been once said that by looking at some of the cars we entered, he thought that the Judges would have enhanced their OE peripheries and observations. Maybe we should have done a better job!?!

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Doesn't everyone just love the melody of finely tuned instruments and the good ol' sound of Holiday music?!

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Dave, Great pictures! Looking forward to the magazine...when does it hit the stands?

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I think some areas of the Country are starting to receive it. We had a couple of guys (in the East) call to order our RPM product because they read about it in the MoparAction Valiant article. This new product might end up being the "star" of the project when everything is said and done. I hope that the people who have actually used RPM will chime in to comment on their findings and results!

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I also don't get the deduct for the clear overlay. The overlay seems unimportant especially when you were able to save the original VIN decal (something that is not always savable in a lot of restorations.)

Was there deducts also for the reproduction ECS decals throughout the car? i.e. trunk jack instructions, emissions etc?

Mike

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Dave,
I am a little late to this party and may have overlooked a previous response concerning the clear overlay, but according to an engineering print, there was a clear separate overlay applied to the original cert label.
So what were the judges concerned with, the fact that it wasn't yellowed or did they not know that Chrysler used an overlay?

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Hello Mr. EJ! The Judges DID KNOW that the overlay was suppose to be there. The problem they expressed was that I had put a new laminate over the top of the original VIN decal. I was going to leave it "as is" but after the door jams were detailed, the original overlay looked too "old" in contrast to the rest of the surrounding area. I found a comfortable stool to sit on as I meticulously cut around the perimeter of the "old" overlay and then removed it. I used one of our printing/cutting machines to fabricate another overlay that was patterned exactly from the one I removed. When everything was finished, the VIN decal was original but the overlay was new.

Fast forward to the Nationals. One of the Judges asked if the VIN decal was one of my reproductions. I told him "No" that the decal was original but the overlay was new. He said he asked because the clear covering looked too "nice" to be forty years old. We ended up being deducted for the new overlay. None of us understood why that particular feature was given a deduction when things like the original body panels were repainted, most all of the original metal components were re-plated, the original front bumper was re-chromed, etc.... but none were given deductions for their "new" coatings/coverings. Wouldn't you think that those particular restoration features be judged with the same linear logic and thought process? What was/is the difference?

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Fast forward to the Nationals. One of the Judges asked if the VIN decal was one of my reproductions. I told him "No" that the decal was original but the overlay was new. He said he asked because the clear covering looked to "nice" to be forty years old. We ended up being deducted for the new overlay. None of us understood why that particular feature was given a deduction when things like the original body panels were repainted, most all of the original metal components were re-plated, the original front bumper was re-chromed, etc.... but none were given deductions for their "new" coatings/coverings. Wouldn't you think that those particular restoration features be judged with the same linear logic and thought process? What was/is the difference?

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Sounds like the judges need to make up thier minds as to whether a "perfect" car is one that looks like it has been in storage for 40 years or one that rolled off the delivery truck yesterday......I would have thought the latter.


Dave

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....My opinion is that although it was like new it just wasn't as eye-popping as a Daytona, Superbird etc....

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Here is a link to the recent episode of the Valiant on MCG TV. (Chapters 4,5 and 6) You can see condition of the door glass and kick panels that were given deductions!

http://moparcollectorsguide.com/moprtv/index.php

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