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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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all the money in the world still can't buy happiness. 
I agree! It only makes it that much harder to understand why so many "happy people" live their lives trying to achieve (or chase) a higher level of un-happiness!    
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/19/10 12:31 PM
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....My opinion is that although it was like new it just wasn't as eye-popping as a Daytona, Superbird etc....
Here is a link to the recent episode of the Valiant on MCG TV. (Chapters 4,5 and 6) You can see condition of the door glass and kick panels that were given deductions!
http://moparcollectorsguide.com/moprtv/index.php
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/19/10 06:49 PM
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Dave Have you really put "the past in the past" as far as MCG is concerned? If so...good for you ...and Rob too...As he said in the first clip..."after all this is just a hobby"...  PM me the real story 
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/19/10 11:51 PM
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I never could figure out why he was so elusive about independent lab results on his oil. I was talking about a Blackstone 30 dollar deal or similar. I asked a half dozen times if we could see something on them and he ignored it. He was still posting, so I know he saw the questions. Then all the sudden he pops out with a super detailed high dollar lab test, saying he had it all along. OK Rob, was it really that hard to put out there then? Then seeing how he got involved in the Charlie vs. Jeff thing by putting crap on the cover of his mag, I would have to think twice about getting tangled with him. Not that anybody cares what I think. 
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/25/10 01:31 AM
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So Dave , does this mean that we will never really know what these phantom deductions were?
Jules
Not to deviate too far from the subject but I have "fixed" the few things that were deducted on the Challenger and it would probably score higher than the Valiant at this point. The car missed 17 points for oil on the bare metal components and 4.5 points on some minor flaws that have since been fixed. As soon as I have completely transformed the oil covered parts with the RPM dry preservative, I would think that it would get very-very-very close to a perfect score. (Based on the Judging sheet that I was given in 2008.) I wonder how it would do if I re-entered it in the OE circuit? Would there be things that were suddenly "overlooked" the first time in order to keep it from getting a perfect or almost perfect score?
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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I wonder how it would do if I re-entered it in the OE circuit? Would there be things that were suddenly "overlooked" the first time in order to keep it from getting a perfect or almost perfect score?
HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!
First of all Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well!
Do you really believe that there wouldnt be items discovered to be "wrong" that were not scored properly the previous judging? theyre going to blame better informed judges this time....or some other fabricated excuse. You really need to understand what it is that you have done and forget that circus.
initiate your own new class of judging better restored cars? I guess thats a little too complicated but just forget the whoel OE Gold because you hit the HOME RUN with the Valiant .
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/25/10 07:59 AM
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I'm sure the judging has evolved quite a bit since 2008...The judges learn something new every year as the level of restoration goes up.... I'm certain, by today's standards there are cars that won Gold five years ago that would most likely only achieve Silver today
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/25/10 02:21 PM
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I'm sure the judging has evolved quite a bit since 2008...
It is not the "judging" that has evolved, it is the Cars! A factory OE vehicle IS what it IS. That aspect has never changed! As a hobby we have been chasing the ability to to accomplish a restoration that truly represents what rolled out of the Factory 40+ years ago. I guarantee that the Challenger and the Valiant would still have the same level of factory correctness 20 years from now if they were Judged again. Their correctness will not become obsolete with respect to what they represent! One of my goals was to restore a car where no one could ever say, "Remember how we thought the that Challenger and Valiant was a correct OE restoration? Look at how much better these OE cars are NOW!" The History of how these cars were built will never change. It is not an infinite or open ended quest. They were manufactured with a particular "look" and a restorer either replicates that "look" or they don't! I personally wanted those two cars to be representative of a Factory correct vehicle no matter when they were scrutinized or Judged. History never changes! A person's understanding or awareness of it (history) is the weak link as it relates to the reality of things. "Correct" will still be correct 50 years from now.
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
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11/25/10 03:48 PM
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I'm sure the judging has evolved quite a bit since 2008...
It is not the "judging" that has evolved, it is the Cars! A factory OE vehicle IS what it IS. That aspect has never changed! As a hobby we have been chasing the ability to to accomplish a restoration that truly represents what rolled out of the Factory 40+ years ago. I guarantee that the Challenger and the Valiant would still have the same level of factory correctness 20 years from now if they were Judged again. Their correctness will not become obsolete with respect to what they represent! One of my goals was to restore a car where no one could ever say, "Remember how we thought the that Challenger and Valiant was a correct OE restoration? Look at how much better these OE cars are NOW!" The History of how these cars were built will never change. It is not an infinite or open ended quest. They were manufactured with a particular "look" and a restorer either replicates that "look" or they don't! I personally wanted those two cars to be representative of a Factory correct vehicle no matter when they were scrutinized or Judged. History never changes! A person's understanding or awareness of it (history) is the weak link as it relates to the reality of things. "Correct" will still be correct 50 years from now.
Good post; as was said earlier, the very best restoration would be one that would be impossible to tell apart from a zero mile (OK, 6 miles or whatever they had when they were typically unloaded off the truck!)untouched original. The kind of car that if you claimed it had never been touched, just stored in a dark dehumidified room for 40 years would seem plausible.
Anyhow, props where props are due.  Sucks about the judging and lack of specific detail on the results. Oh well, doesn't take away from the accomplishment but too bad all the same.
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