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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: JulesdaWiperman]
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11/08/10 07:06 PM
11/08/10 07:06 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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So Dave any news?
Jules
I have both the certificate and the Judging sheet. Would you like for me to "show" or "tell" the results?  
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: anlauto]
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11/08/10 10:54 PM
11/08/10 10:54 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Yea...show the world how big of a loser your car really is... 
...sarcasm by the way...
I admit it Alan! The car was an absolute Failure. That is why we are very close to starting the next candidate to trump this Car. I figured this might be a good time to let the cat out of the bag. I will post the "loser" results for this vehicle some time tomorrow! Just wait Alan.....you ain't seen NOTHING yet! 
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: VCODE]
#782927
11/09/10 11:53 AM
11/09/10 11:53 AM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Dave,I would like to see also 
Bob
Hi Bob! You actually got to see the car up close and firsthand. Here are the results:
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: ECS]
#782928
11/09/10 12:06 PM
11/09/10 12:06 PM
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burdar
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My involvement with this program is obviously finished.
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That is why we are very close to starting the next candidate to trump this Car. I figured this might be a good time to let the cat out of the bag.
That's great news.
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: burdar]
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11/09/10 01:41 PM
11/09/10 01:41 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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My involvement with this program is obviously finished.
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That is why we are very close to starting the next candidate to trump this Car. I figured this might be a good time to let the cat out of the bag.
That's great news.
Imagine that. In our free Nation you can STILL restore vehicles without being forced or required to be involved with one particular Judging venue! I think you can do this stuff without having to enter a vehicle in the Mopar Nationals......Right? You would probably like the 1969 T/A that I was referring to! Then again, maybe that is why I missed the obvious "contradiction" of my own words. 
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: 65pacecar]
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11/09/10 02:04 PM
11/09/10 02:04 PM
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anlauto
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Well if you look at the progression of your first attempt, to your second, and now your third...I would say you're on the right track....just try a little harder with your next car and possibly you'll reach your goal.  Talked to Charlie about glass...WoW shipping that to Canada is a killer eh ?
CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: JulesdaWiperman]
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11/09/10 02:05 PM
11/09/10 02:05 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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If this document is real , can it be more vague? !
Jules
I thought the same thing Dr. J! With my Challenger, we received "No Deductions" for the BATTERY AND ENGINE section. That vehicle had a Reproduction Battery and NOS "service replacement" battery cables. The Valiant received "almost flawless except for one deduction" in the ACCESSORIES AND BATTERY section. It had a pristine Assembly line Battery and the cables were NOS Assembly line issue. Where was the deduction allocated? What accessory? Was it the Battery? According to the Judging sheet, where would anyone start to correct (or discuss) the "errors" that were pointed out?
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: anlauto]
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11/09/10 02:39 PM
11/09/10 02:39 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Well if you look at the progression of your first attempt, to your second, and now your third...I would say you're on the right track....just try a little harder with your next car and possibly you'll reach your goal.
Some things are simply impossible and have nothing to do with effort. For instance, where do you find pristine NOS date matching (specific to the build date of the car) Goodyear, Power Cushion 6.95 X 14, 1/2" Whitewall Tires? Keep in mind that once you find even ONE unit, it cannot have a SINGLE blemish or dry crack ANYWHERE on the sidewall. It has to look brand new even though it is 40+ years old! I have a couple of sets leftover due to small imperfections on the tires. The dates were good but the condition was not "new" looking or pristine. On some tires, the condition was perfect but the dates were off a bit. Sometimes you can't get both scenarios to coincide. 
Hey Alan...with all of your experience (and our shortcomings with trying) have you figured out a way to change the date codes on NOS tires? 
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: ECS]
#782934
11/09/10 03:14 PM
11/09/10 03:14 PM
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TONY_DAGOSTINO
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dave,
i cant bite my lip any longer.
this judging deal is beyond description.
not that your tires are available in reproduction, but i would like to know if all of the other OE cars had original tires?
i know the few cars ive looked at in the past didnt.
so how do the cars with reproduction tires get judged?
do the dates matter on those tires?
of course the condition will be like new because they are new.
how can the guy like yourself who went thru the time and effort to locate nos correct tires even be in the same judging catergory of the guy that picked up the phone and ordered a new set, boy , that took alot of effort NOT!
what is the total points alloted for tires?
and what is the point breakdown for correct original?
repo?
date codes?
+ condition?
i wouldnt even think repo tires (or any other PART, not items like paint or fluids) shouldnt even get 1/3 of the allowable points, why should the effort, or lack of effort, be awarded at all for reproduction items. id rather have a set of not so perfect originals, then perfect new repos.
like you said before, YOU know what you brought there
btw, dave i did call you on sat, but didnt get an answer.
talk to you soon, tony
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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals.
[Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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11/09/10 05:10 PM
11/09/10 05:10 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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so how do the cars with reproduction tires get judged?
do the dates matter on those tires?
I have no idea Tony. The tires I found were the nicest ones that I had ever located for any of the restorations we have completed. I spent the entire two years of the project trying to find a perfect set for the car. I actually did find a few correct NOS dated tires for the car BUT their condition was not like new! If I used those on the Valiant there would have been no points gain because we would have been deducted for their condition. I personally chose using the "wrong dates" because the tires used for the car had NEVER been on the ground. They had their original white lettering, whisker nubs and rubber center "flash" on every tire. It didn't bother me that 3 of them were a couple of months off of the car's build date. Unless you had a Goodyear decoder for the dating, you would not know the difference. I was not willing to use an NOS tire that was date coded correctly BUT with dry rot or damage to the sidewalls. I still had the original tires but they had 10,000 miles of wear on them. I am STILL looking to find the correct dated tires. They are harder to locate than any Goodyear Polyglas GT tires I have ever tried to find!
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