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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. *DELETED* [Re: RoadRunner] #782858
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I think the mopar hobby has become what the corvette hobby has been.





I have actually been involved in the Corvette hobby. I also own a Thoroughbred Gold (Ford's OE) Boss 302 Mustang, a National award winning Ram Air III 400 Firebird and NEVER had the kind of backbiting problems I have had with a few select people in the Chrysler World. I have actually been called a "conspiracy guy" when I voiced my displeasure about their busybody behind the scenes actions. I always thought a conspiracy was something that is rarely supported by any conclusive evidence. These same guys did this garbage with my last two OE cars! I would classify THAT as a repeat of History....not a paranoid conspiracy!

Below is another picture to support the conspiracy theory! It appears that another person is also part of the paranoid fraternity that I am a member of. Tom Barcroft sent me this photo of a 1977 (15,000 mile) slant six "Survivor" vehicle. What a coincidence! Another Fluke!! Are all of you "experts" taking notes regarding these "conspiracy" FACTS?!? So much for that "98% certainty" thing that you were told Cliff!


Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. *DELETED* [Re: Chris G] #782859
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FWIW, my '74 Dart had rubber gaskets originally. I still have them.





Hi Chris! Thanks for the post!! So when do you think we will start to see original examples (pictures) posted from the "experts" showing the cork gaskets that were supposedly used on factory Slant Six cars? One "expert" had commented that he had documented MANY over the past few years. He was "98%" sure that all slant six cars came with cork valve cover gaskets! After spending all that time and effort, you would at least assume he took some photos....right? I'm still patiently waiting to see some documentation!

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Hi Chris! Thanks for the post!! So when do you think we will start to see original examples (pictures) posted from the "experts" showing the cork gaskets that were supposedly used on factory Slant Six cars?




As a Chrysler tech starting in late 83 at the tender age of 17 I got all the puke jobs.

Like doing spark plugs and valve adjustments on slant sixs.

Every single leaning tower of power I worked on came with rubber gaskets... and I worked on plenty that had not been touched before.

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As a Chrysler tech starting in late 83 ......
Every single leaning tower of power I worked on came with rubber gaskets... and I worked on plenty that had not been touched before.





Thank you very much for your input Gary. For whatever reason, the magazine covering the car decided to solicit "opinions" about OUR restoration from individuals that couldn't find their butt with both hands! If you were doing a study on Cats, would you go to the Dog Pound to do your investigation or find answers? Some "expert" told the editor that they were 98% sure that these cars came with cork gaskets from the factory. This comment shows that their knowledge about this particular detail is either non-existent, they simply lied or were doing their best to throw a wrinkle in our story. This "someone" saw the vehicle at the Nationals and KNEW we used a rubber gasket. I guarantee that if we had used a cork gasket, this person would have said the rubber one was correct! If I am totally off base, how could any "expert" be so wrong about something they claimed they were 98% sure about? Keep in mind that NO ONE (so far) has been able to validate this "factory cork gasket" theory. Are all of you guys just lying about what you observed when you worked on these cars back in the day? No need to answer....it was a sarcastic-rhetoric question! I think we all know the facts, as do the instigators/experts who desperately want to interject some angle of doubt or incorrectness in our Valiant article! What a joke!

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Funny, I have a box of those PCV hoses like yours, and other variants off original cars. But it is easier for some to believe there is but one style hose, so the cookie cutter restoration crowd is happy, and the vendors selling these parts make more money!
I find it so interesting that until now, no one has ever cared about any 6cyl car in history. With all the restoration experts, magazine editors & publishers out there, none, have ever once, given us a tech article on detailing the slant six. No photographs, no engineering drawings, no anything! Now all of a sudden, you are the target of these same individuals.
Their only agenda is to discredit anyone who questions their "authority". Even when presented with hard facts, they discount them and rely on their "expertise" gathered "over the past 20,30 years". Their arrogance/ego leads them to think only their knowledge is valid.
Some of these experts are merely armchair quarterbacks who speak of their vast knowledge and expertise, but who have never actually built a car anyone of us have ever seen. They are the ones at the shows who walk up to your car and point to the mistakes you made, but when asked, they can't take you to their perfect restoration! I say to them, put up or stop the criticism.
Suppose you are an expert who has examined 1000 original cars. You could come to many conclusions of the way Mopars were seemingly built. But in the grand scheme of things, you have hardly documented the other several hundred thousand cars built in the muscle car era. The point is, there are so many variables that no one will ever know it all-though they will always have an opinion, right or wrong.
I've personally had it with the lack of integrity, back-stabbing, and down right lies, that go on in this hobby. They do nothing to help anyone, especially anyone new to the hobby trying to learn new things. It makes me not even want to get on Moparts, or be involved in the hobby some days.
And thank god for all you great people out there that contribute to the hobby!
I'm done for now.....

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I find it so interesting that until now, no one has ever cared about any 6cyl car in history. With all the restoration experts, magazine editors & publishers out there, none, have ever once, given us a tech article on detailing the slant six. No photographs, no engineering drawings, no anything! Now all of a sudden, you are the target of these same individuals.
Their only agenda is to discredit anyone.....




Not this time Paul! They have messed with the wrong person! I have started the ball rolling to show some of these hotshots just how smart they really are. They will either do the right thing or pay the consequences! Enough is enough. Nice talking with you earlier tonight....I will keep you posted.

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Hi Chris! Thanks for the post!! So




Dave, crappy pic, but you can see the blue. 17K 318.

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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. *DELETED* [Re: Chris G] #782867
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And off the car...




Come on Chris!!!! You should know that this is just my imagination and nothing but a "conspiracy"!


What I really should say to the "experts" is this.....Sorry that you got your tails handed to you, thoroughly trounced and beaten at your own game! You should have done your homework better and ate your spinach. Look no further than the reflection in the mirror to find the reason for your discontent!

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Cork replacement reference. I have photographed many but have never taken one apart. A a result I plan to study these engines much closer moving forward. I'm going to expand the ICCA reference manuals to include 318 and 6 cylinders in the future.

I glad that there are experts out there relating to 6 cylinders because it is currently stated in the Valve Cover Gasket Section of the manual that "this area is still under review" for 1965 - 74 engines from various assembly plants throughout that period. If there is anyone that wants to contribute to the expansion of this section to help advance the Mopar hobby please contact me.

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I haven't read any magazine articles on this Valiant yet...

Who hard the experts giving you a hard time?

You've been talking about them for a week or so now, but no mention of any names....Can you list the names of people who are questioning or work?


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