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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782798
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Once again Dave, you and your team have "up'd the anti" as far as reproduction parts are concerned...
At the time I stated DMT made the best gaskets available, yours were not on the market yet to the best of my knowledge.

In your previous picture you showed a gas pedal gasket that was a almost solid closed cell foam, which other company's offer and is agreed by most to be junk.

If you bought the entire DMT kit, you have to admit that it's better then anything currently on the market making it the "best" in my opinion and the opinion of most others.

If ECS is getting into the gasket business, then there is no doubt that they will be 100% accurate.....even if they're made in China....


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782799
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Did ECS ever come out with the correct rear parcel shelves with speaker cut outs for E Body?


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782800
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.... there is no doubt that they will be 100% accurate.....even if they're made in China....




Big Al.....bite your tongue! We manufacture those gaskets right here at our new facility. We spent a small fortune to have the correct cutting dies manufactured that stamp and cut the correct gasket material. Other than glass and carpet, there is NOTHING that we pass along as a "middleman". We create almost everything we sell on location! Tom Barcroft is sitting here with me and we were just talking about that exact subject matter. When you manufacture your own products, it makes it much easier to maintain the quality control of your inventory. On the flip side you also have no one to blame if things are incorrect. I personally guarantee that ECS will never offer ANY product unless it accurately represents what was offered from the original manufacturer. We may take a different manufacturing route but the final destination/outcome will be the same. (The gasket material we use is also made in the US. Not China!) Stay tuned for many other new items that resulted from the Valiant Project!

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782801
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Did ECS ever come out with the correct rear parcel shelves with speaker cut outs for E Body?





We came out with those about two years ago Alan. All colors and correct grain patterns, with or without speaker cut outs. Speaker provisions have 8 rows with 18 slots (per row) just like the originals.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782802
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Did ECS ever come out with the correct rear parcel shelves with speaker cut outs for E Body?





We came out with those about two years ago Alan. All colors and correct grain patterns, with or without speaker cut outs. Speaker provisions have 8 rows with 18 slots (per row) just like the originals.




Couldn't find them anywhere on your web site(s)


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782803
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Tom Barcroft will be the newest addition to ECS in the next week or two and will help organize and list the MANY products that are not showing in our catalog or website. You should start seeing an influx of these new items (on the site) over the next few weeks!

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782804
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"Art Store" styrofoam. Real nice.

No wonder you're so such a hit on here.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: 71TA] #782805
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"Art Store" styrofoam. Real nice.
No wonder you're so such a hit on here.





Thank you! I have always chose Honesty over Popularity no matter what the outcome might entail. To be more specific about the gasket material, I saw it at Michael's Ats and Crafts! If you don't believe me go visit one and find out for yourself. They stock various sheet sizes and thicknesses.

I apologize that my demand for accuracy exceeds the normal "85% Effort Club" that most reproduction manufacturers settle into and are satisfied with. Most stop at that point because the remaining 15% is TEN TIMES harder to reach than the first 85%. I just don't feel that people should have to settle for second rate products when spending their hard earned money. I consider it a privilege to serve this Hobby, not the other way around.

I've noticed that every time we do something correct, there is always someone who gets all bent out of shape and proceeds to lash out, make excuses or get defensive. I certainly didn't stop you from going the extra mile! With all due respect, look no further than the man in the mirror to vent your frustrations for offering the industry something less than "Authentic/Correct" Parts.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782806
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...I've noticed that every time we do something correct, there is always someone who gets all bent out of shape and proceeds to lash out, make excuses or get defensive. I certainly didn't stop you from going the extra mile! With all due respect, look no further than the man in the mirror to vent your frustrations for offering the industry something less than "Authentic/Correct" Parts.
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He made one brief post after a page of critique on his product.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: autoxcuda] #782807
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He made one brief post after a page of critique on his product.




For the record, this person/company wasn't even a thought or point of interest when we decided to manufacture these items. Exact samples were not available so we decided to make them ourselves. Isn't that how most Companies or Products come to fruition? Its called "FREE ENTERPRISE." Correct is simply correct! I can assure you it was not a personal thing. People who take offense to what we are doing should not leave a crack in the armor. It makes it really hard for someone else to enter "a market" when there is no room for improvement. As stated earlier, "I personally guarantee that ECS will never offer ANY product unless it accurately represents what was offered from the original manufacturer."

In case you didn't notice, that "brief" comment was a personal and direct insult. By all means, feel free to show me the post where I personally attacked this guy or stated that others think of him in a negative fashion.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782808
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"I personally guarantee that ECS will never offer ANY product unless it accurately represents what was offered from the original manufacturer."

The above sums it all up in a nutshell as to the quality of all ECS products, and the integrety of the MAN behind the company!

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782809
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He made one brief post after a page of critique on his product.




For the record, this person/company wasn't even a thought or point of interest when we decided to manufacture these items. Exact samples were not available so we decided to make them ourselves. Isn't that how most Companies or Products come to fruition? Its called "FREE ENTERPRISE." Correct is simply correct! I can assure you it was not a personal thing. People who take offense to what we are doing should not leave a crack in the armor. It makes it really hard for someone else to enter "a market" when there is no room for improvement. As stated earlier, "I personally guarantee that ECS will never offer ANY product unless it accurately represents what was offered from the original manufacturer."

In case you didn't noticed, that "brief" comment was a personal and direct insult. By all means, feel free to show me the post where I personally attacked this guy or stated that others think of him in a negative fashion.




Look I have no problem with people making new products or entering a market.

I do have a problem with people being courteous and decent to people.

You said people give you a hard time and try to stir you up. And I agree. But the deal is, 71 T/A wasn't one of those guys.

You compared his product to Art Store Styrofoam. You eluded to his product being redundant. You said his products were nothing like original. Say what you will, just don't be surpised to get a comment back.

Most new product announcements I've seen talk about the qualities of their new product and reference to competitors in a brief and purely objective manner.

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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: autoxcuda] #782810
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ECS, there's no need for you to climb any higher on the back of anyone here, we all know who you are.


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: a12superbee] #782811
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Hey Dave,

I posted this earlier and didn't get a response:

"Could you please post pre-resto shots of the front seat studs and nuts? Curious how they looked originally."

I've never seen the stud and nut undercoated before, always been taped off. Does not seem to make sense from a production stand point because to get the seat out of the car you'd have to take off all the undercoating. Did A-Bodies do this differently? This is the area I'm refering to:



All this nitpicking on the board just tells you how nice of a job you did on the car. We are forced to argue about the minutia!


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: ECS] #782812
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I apologize that my demand for accuracy exceeds the normal "85% Effort Club" that most reproduction manufacturers settle into and are satisfied with.




I for one am glad there is people who go the extra mile.

My restoration of the Duster has been very frustrating at times. I just purchased a set of repop bench seat hinge covers and frankly they are utter crap.

Wrong grain, twice the thickness, details muddled and the screw holes are off by a good 5/16.

Why the hell did someone go to the trouble to make these but not even bother to get them in the ballpark? I can spot them from 10 feet away on a car that has them =(

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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: autoxcuda] #782813
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I do have a problem with people being courteous and decent to people.

You compared his product to Art Store Styrofoam. You eluded to his product being redundant. You said his products were nothing like original.





I stated the Facts in a completely professional manner!! You are really reaching to find some fault here.... aren't you?!? I don't see any disrespect in the mentioning of an "Art Store"! They are some of the most intriguing places that I patron and visit on a regular basis! (Did you have a bad experience at one?) Are you really that sensitive and bothered to hear attributes of one product being conveyed over another? Don't watch TV, listen to the radio or read magazine ads! It will probably put you in a severe depression!

I never referred to his product as being "redundant." I said that with regards to MINE and how we won't manufacture something to simply reinvent the wheel! You have issues with FACTS but give a pass to those who respond with personal attacks. (Is this a relative of yours or something? ) I wish some of these "decent" people would come back with valid contrasting PROOF rather than the typical attacking, defeatist, VERBAL responses! Show me or prove to me where I'm wrong!! By all means "improve" or "beat" me at something! I won't criticize or fault you.....I'll just thank you for making me better when I come back to beat you at you own game! I think THAT might be the real reasoning behind the "lashing" out. That is what some people have to resort to when they reach their limits and have nothing (constructive) left to offer!

I really don't mind the attacks! It lets me know that I am on the right track.

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: tallzag] #782814
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After looking at all the pictures, I've noticed a lot of things that are not consistent with the general idea for E Bodies and B Bodies for sure. Maybe this nut/stud fall into this category as well

In the above picture it's odd that the brake line got a minimal amount of undercoating while the floor pan on either side and underneath appear to have a generous amount.


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Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: gdonovan] #782815
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Why the hell did someone go to the trouble to make these but not even bother to get them in the ballpark? I can spot them from 10 feet away on a car that has them




Gary my Man! Why confuse the issue with pictorial Facts? You won't believe the amount of enemies you are sure to make. Stick with opinions and verbal tongue lashings! You are bound to get along MUCH better by keeping step with the masses!

(Just a little sarcastic fun Gary! THANK YOU very much for furthering my point!)

Re: OE Gold Valiant Pictures From The Mopar Nationals. [Re: anlauto] #782816
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In the above picture it's odd that the brake line got a minimal amount of undercoating while the floor pan on either side and underneath appear to have a generous amount.




That is because the other side of the floor pan (which you cannot see in the picture) is almost bare where the line was in the way of the undercoating. It was sprayed from one direction. Don't worry Alan....we knew what we were doing! Had you seen it in person you might have a different attitude than that of a armchair quarterback!

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Gary my Man! Why confuse the issue with pictorial Facts? You won't believe the amount of enemies you are sure to make.






The number of people run down by my 10 second FWD Reliant is legion, I'll just add a few more names to the list.

A piece of advice if you will have it- If you are taking flak you must be hitting pretty close to the target!

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