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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Moparnut426] #769626
08/10/10 12:50 AM
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A 140 amp 110v will be just fine for material up around 1/8" or so...despite what some say...Some of these recommendations are welders that cost towards $2K..sorry but you dont need a 225 amp Miller to do any job for a race cars/ auto's. Anything over 3/8 I weld with a stick, I dont care what it is.
But let me add this, if you live on a farm, have equipment, or piddle a bunch, a large welder will come in handy.
But for the average joe, who just wants to work on a race car......A 160-175 amp will be plenty.
I have a little 145 amp Lincoln that I can do any thing humanly possible with a race car, and have proper, strong, penetrating welds... (it just might mean some extra prep work like beveling etc)
No need for a $250 hood. Wont help a welder one bit. Those fancy hoods have there faults also. They can be andy in tight space where you dont have room to flip the hood up, thats the only advantage IMO.
The old 2x3 hoods work fine, and you can flip the welding lens and it doubles as a grinding shield....Big Plus..Cause if you do any grinding which you will, you will need a grinding shield.
Dont trust safety glasses only, you will get metal in your eye.
Flux wire can look just as good, as shielding gas also. Its cheaper to operate thats for sure.
Take the extra money you saved with a traditional hood and buy a decent welding jacket, spats, or sleeves minimal.
Just talking from someone who has burnt more welding rods in a few ten hour shift that lots of people wouldnt burn in a lifetime...

Bob Coomer
Journeyman IronWorker Local 769 Ashland Ky


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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #769627
08/10/10 12:55 AM
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more welding rods in a few ten hour shift that lots of people wouldnt burn in a lifetime...






Oh yea.........50 lbs of 1/8th" 7018 in two shifts...


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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Welderman] #769628
08/10/10 01:55 AM
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If your really serious. Buy a Lincoln Electric Power Mig 255. You also cant go wrong. First of all dont believe all the lies about a 110 volt machine. Dont waste your money!!! A 220 volt machine is the ONLY way to go. It gives you the ability to weld from 16ga.(1/16 in.) up to 3/8 in. plus it has a cheat sheet for wire speed and volt settings. Very User friendly for beginners and veterans alike. Plus its made entirely in Cleveland,Ohio. With this machine youll be capable of everything youve described and so much more. Oh yeah, Just FYI, Have your electrician wire in a 20 ft. extention lead(cord) into your panel. That way you can roll out around car, across shop,outside for sidejobs(mufflers,trailer repair,etc.). A new Lincoln will cost you about $2500.oo complete with small 75/25 mix cylinder. Depending upon your location, you could go with a used setup for about $1000.oo or better. Shop carefully (Machinery auctions,factory auctions etc.) ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT AND WHERE YOU ARE WELDING!!!!!!. Those sparks and heat remain long after youve stopped tacks and welds. SAFETY is always #1. I hope this will help. I have taught many people to weld in my 35 yr???? tenure. If you want I could teach you to weld online for FREE! Thank You



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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #769629
08/10/10 08:28 AM
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more welding rods in a few ten hour shift that lots of people wouldnt burn in a lifetime...






Oh yea.........50 lbs of 1/8th" 7018 in two shifts...


Holly crap!! That is a lot of rod. Went through about 20 lbs of 5/32" 6013 in one shift welding up plows in the past. Agree with most of what you said. Many of the welders listed are bigger than what is needed for most car applications - point with my comment - My 110 powered welder will weld 3/8" ( which you will never run in to in a car application ), but I would also go with a 250 amp or bigger stick welder for 3/8" or over. The big plus with a 110 powered welder is that you can use it just about anywhere there is a 110 outlet. I used the old flip-up 3X5" windowed helmets for years also - and chipped with them. The new self darkening helmets are just better - and better for your eyes IMO. I use a seperate clear face shield for chipping / grinding these days. Even with side shields, safety glasses won't make it. Don't ask me how I know.


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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Crizila] #769630
08/10/10 04:53 PM
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This is the welder I use most often in my shop for car work ( I also have an old Miller 225 amp buz box stick welder - 220vlt for heavier work). The HTP 140 amp is a top of the line mig welder - probably well over $1k new. I bought it used for $400. I probably have less than $600 invested in the welder, gas, helmet and all accessories in the pic. Point is you don't have to spend big $ for a quality mig welder that will handle 99% of your shop needs as there is a lot of quality used stuff out there.

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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Crizila] #769631
08/10/10 06:35 PM
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Holly crap!! That is a lot of rod.




That's what she said !

Sorry , guys.
I had to.
I'll chime in on the helmet too..........I used to HATE my helmet , to the point of not even getting it out for small jobs.
Turn my head and point and pull........stupid , I know. Believe me , I know.
Then I bought a nice helmet.
Near 3 bones , and I could go in the garage and give you a name.
But the auto darkening helmets make it a pure joy to weld.
I love mine.
I do have a clear shield for grinding and switching is a small pain.
But nowhere near the P.I.T.A. that the old helmet was.

Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: tubtar] #769632
08/11/10 07:00 AM
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Excellant advice from all . I feel as if I should clarify my opinion that if one was to upgrade to a larger voltage machine, not only would you become more versatile but you would also increase your customer base capabilities which means more revenue. Example: I dont pay for my hotrods and parts, MY CUSTOMERS DO !!!

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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: Welderman] #769633
08/11/10 11:07 PM
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I bought the miller 211 with the mvp as shown in the first post. I have not too many miles on it so far but love it! Will be the last welder I'll ever need unless Gearjammer dart teaches me to TIG!!!(Hint hint)

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Re: Which Mig welder???? [Re: BEEQUIK] #769634
08/11/10 11:36 PM
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I only use a shielding gas(bottle and regulator)...
I sold my 110v...all of my units are Lincoln but if
I was buying today I would be looking at a Miller....
I wouldnt mind having a 110v 140 for the race trailer

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