Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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all you have to do Tony is drive down here on a Saturday and fill a couple of drums at a time
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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08/02/10 12:13 AM
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all this sounds great but can anyone tell me about the maint part of it like how often on oil changes, fuel lines what pump and presure you need what size fuel lines etc thanks
Ya, it actually all sounds too great. Unless you are going through many hundreds of gallons in your race car each year, don't believe there is a big pay off there. Since the BTU's are way down compared to race gas, your going to have to use a crap load more and just making a carb change without making engine changes ( namely CR ), aint gonna net you the same HP as running race gas. With that higher CR will come more maintenance ( reads breakage ) - guaranteed. You also just switched to a fuel that is considerably more corrosive ( with considerably less lubricity )than gas. Be prepared for more frequent oil changes, higher ring wear, cylinder scuffing ( wash-down ) then you had before. Suggest you look at the big picture ( rather than just fuel cost ) before you make a switch to "the corn cob fuel".
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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08/02/10 10:12 AM
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all this sounds great but can anyone tell me about the maint part of it like how often on oil changes, fuel lines what pump and presure you need what size fuel lines etc thanks
Ya, it actually all sounds too great. Unless you are going through many hundreds of gallons in your race car each year, don't believe there is a big pay off there. Since the BTU's are way down compared to race gas, your going to have to use a crap load more and just making a carb change without making engine changes ( namely CR ), aint gonna net you the same HP as running race gas. With that higher CR will come more maintenance ( reads breakage ) - guaranteed. You also just switched to a fuel that is considerably more corrosive ( with considerably less lubricity )than gas. Be prepared for more frequent oil changes, higher ring wear, cylinder scuffing ( wash-down ) then you had before. Suggest you look at the big picture ( rather than just fuel cost ) before you make a switch to "the corn cob fuel".
And this is probly from someone who has not tried E85. ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU STATED IS WRONG.
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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Looks like the stuff works for ya,Lonnie! There is an E-85 pump just down the road from me...I think it is 1.98 a gallon...AJ...How do you store the stuff?? Plastic or metal drum...
I use a metal drum. Normally fill 2 drums in June when they get the summer blend (85%) and that last me until about September 1. I finished my first drum 2 weeks ago and have about 40 gallons left so I will fill both before the end of August so that I will finish the season and have some to start next season while I am waiting on Summer Blend again.
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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I can understand the cooling part. Boarder line with your gas set up means dumping your steel fuel tank - of any vintage and going to teflon lined fuel lines and a compatible pump. You can make the oil change interval what ever you want, but with 30% more fuel going in ( think that number is a little low ), you can't help but have a higher rate of oil dilution ( reads bearing / ring wear will go up ). Don't understand the improvement in "consistancy" with the change over at all? I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I felt some negatives to the E85 issue needed to be aired, as it was getting too "peaches & creamy" Sorry if I have offended anyone. The switch obviously has been positive for some - short term anyway.
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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E-85 will stay good until spring in a metal barrel? I would probably do the change over if I raced more often..
Yes I have had no problems with it staying in the metal barrel. They are VP fuel drums that I used when I ran 110 race fuel.
As for changing to Teflon lines, a compatable pump, etc... I did not have to do either. I have run the fuel in steel braided line as well as well as aluminum 1/2" line and had no issues. The fuel pumps I have run with it are all gasoline pumps and have not seen any additional wear with them. The same with the regulators.
The 30% number is actually more like 27% when you get the carb tuned up correctly. The additional fuel you are putting in gets burned up during the combustion so there it is not washing down the cylinders and into the oil. I am not going to fight about this as all are entitled to opinions. Just trying to set the facts correctly from real world experience. I let the car sit with fuel in the carb during the week and hit the key and fires right up.
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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I can understand the cooling part. Boarder line with your gas set up means dumping your steel fuel tank - of any vintage and going to teflon lined fuel lines and a compatible pump. You can make the oil change interval what ever you want, but with 30% more fuel going in ( think that number is a little low ), you can't help but have a higher rate of oil dilution ( reads bearing / ring wear will go up ). Don't understand the improvement in "consistancy" with the change over at all? I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I felt some negatives to the E85 issue needed to be aired, as it was getting too "peaches & creamy" Sorry if I have offended anyone. The switch obviously has been positive for some - short term anyway.
And again same guy with no clue. Stored in metal drums no liners. Same gas line as any car from the factory use. May need a upgrade to a high volume fuel pump. More HP because of better cold fuel charge. Motor runs cooler.Car runs the same in the heat of the day. Seen guys run 14 to one compression or 10 to 1. Cost of E85 2,45 a gallon here plus 30% more used ok lets say 3.25 a gallon. $7.50 GALLON FOR 110 RACE GAS. Yes this would be a pain in the butt to run on the street unless you have E85 station close by and don't mind filling up more often. No one has said they have switched to E85 on the street. If you need to read about E85 and the myths go to the E85 board and read.
Actually I've had plenty of experience with E85, but not in race applications. If it's as great as it is portrayed here, I expect everyone will be switching over to it shortly - including me, as I don't like paying for race gas ether. Time will tell.
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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all i can say is i am faster with using less fuel with E85 . simple as that
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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Not the way I wanna get to 1000 reads, but my experience was limited to what I went through and the initial results. I was already asked what I thought about it and I reserve my final judgement for the future when I can see no adverse results in engine wear and parts breakage, etc....
I just had my W-9 open the other day and it looks great so I just put it back together(no changes other than gaskets)... that was a year and half on E-85 and it sat for 1 whole season also... with fuel in it which I wont do again without a lube
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased
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My Friend is running a twin turbo small block on E-85 and he upgraded his fuel pumps and had csu convert his carb and he has run it lean and rich intake gasket leaks, carb gasket leaks, jetted way to lean, way to rich and has never had a problem. He is running 8 to 1 comp. with 22 lbs of boost. He has been trying to talk me into since I built my 12.5 to 1 big block. He swears by the stuff.
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