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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased [Re: Quicktree] #762491
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all you have to do Tony is drive down here on a Saturday and fill a couple of drums at a time


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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased [Re: dusturbd340W5] #762492
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Lonnie. Great info. I know how religious you are on your logs and consistancy is always key with you. Congrats on the plunge into Eth. Sounds like it'll be a lot easier on your engine, especially on how you go rounds in 2 or 3 classes at the same time, with the same Dart. Very nice. Will you start carrying a drum around? I wonder when tracks will start carrying it.. Nice job, Lonnie. See you in a couple of weeks.. I got some new stickers for you..


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all this sounds great but can anyone tell me about the maint part of it like how often on oil changes, fuel lines what pump and presure you need what size fuel lines etc
thanks


Ya, it actually all sounds too great. Unless you are going through many hundreds of gallons in your race car each year, don't believe there is a big pay off there. Since the BTU's are way down compared to race gas, your going to have to use a crap load more and just making a carb change without making engine changes ( namely CR ), aint gonna net you the same HP as running race gas. With that higher CR will come more maintenance ( reads breakage ) - guaranteed. You also just switched to a fuel that is considerably more corrosive ( with considerably less lubricity )than gas. Be prepared for more frequent oil changes, higher ring wear, cylinder scuffing ( wash-down ) then you had before. Suggest you look at the big picture ( rather than just fuel cost ) before you make a switch to "the corn cob fuel".


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all this sounds great but can anyone tell me about the maint part of it like how often on oil changes, fuel lines what pump and presure you need what size fuel lines etc
thanks


Ya, it actually all sounds too great. Unless you are going through many hundreds of gallons in your race car each year, don't believe there is a big pay off there. Since the BTU's are way down compared to race gas, your going to have to use a crap load more and just making a carb change without making engine changes ( namely CR ), aint gonna net you the same HP as running race gas. With that higher CR will come more maintenance ( reads breakage ) - guaranteed. You also just switched to a fuel that is considerably more corrosive ( with considerably less lubricity )than gas. Be prepared for more frequent oil changes, higher ring wear, cylinder scuffing ( wash-down ) then you had before. Suggest you look at the big picture ( rather than just fuel cost ) before you make a switch to "the corn cob fuel".




And this is probly from someone who has not tried E85. ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU STATED IS WRONG.


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Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased [Re: Crizila] #762495
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My take on E-85 is the best thing to happen to budget minded drag racers in a while. If the car is tuned properly you will have the same oil change intervals you have with gas. I changed mine once this season after about 75 runs just to check on it and the oil looked like the day I put it in the car. I have an additional 75-100 runs on the car now and have no intention of changing until next season.

The changeover may require more than a few carb mods. It may also require you to upgrade your fuel system if you are on the borderline with your gas setup. The basic rule is 30% more flow than what you need on gas. My car runs 11.1's and I have run it with a holley black pump with no problems. The fuel filter needs to flow above 90GPM and the pressure is the same.

The changeover really helped my car with consistency and ET. Results do vary but my car went from 11.40's in the heat to 11.10's in the heat and picked up 3MPH in the 1/4. You will normally see a performance gain due to the cooling properties of the ethanol, it cools the air charge just like Methanol. My friends car we did picked up .15 and 2MPH in the 1/4.

The carb mods come in the form of metering blocks changes, jet change, air bleed change and booster change. They can be done by a knowledgeable do-it-your-selfer.

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Looks like the stuff works for ya,Lonnie! There is an E-85 pump just down the road from me...I think it is 1.98 a gallon...AJ...How do you store the stuff?? Plastic or metal drum...


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Looks like the stuff works for ya,Lonnie! There is an E-85 pump just down the road from me...I think it is 1.98 a gallon...AJ...How do you store the stuff?? Plastic or metal drum...



I use a metal drum. Normally fill 2 drums in June when they get the summer blend (85%) and that last me until about September 1. I finished my first drum 2 weeks ago and have about 40 gallons left so I will fill both before the end of August so that I will finish the season and have some to start next season while I am waiting on Summer Blend again.

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E-85 will stay good until spring in a metal barrel? I would probably do the change over if I raced more often..


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I can understand the cooling part. Boarder line with your gas set up means dumping your steel fuel tank - of any vintage and going to teflon lined fuel lines and a compatible pump. You can make the oil change interval what ever you want, but with 30% more fuel going in ( think that number is a little low ), you can't help but have a higher rate of oil dilution ( reads bearing / ring wear will go up ). Don't understand the improvement in "consistancy" with the change over at all? I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I felt some negatives to the E85 issue needed to be aired, as it was getting too "peaches & creamy" Sorry if I have offended anyone. The switch obviously has been positive for some - short term anyway.


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E-85 will stay good until spring in a metal barrel? I would probably do the change over if I raced more often..




Yes I have had no problems with it staying in the metal barrel. They are VP fuel drums that I used when I ran 110 race fuel.

As for changing to Teflon lines, a compatable pump, etc... I did not have to do either. I have run the fuel in steel braided line as well as well as aluminum 1/2" line and had no issues. The fuel pumps I have run with it are all gasoline pumps and have not seen any additional wear with them. The same with the regulators.

The 30% number is actually more like 27% when you get the carb tuned up correctly. The additional fuel you are putting in gets burned up during the combustion so there it is not washing down the cylinders and into the oil. I am not going to fight about this as all are entitled to opinions. Just trying to set the facts correctly from real world experience. I let the car sit with fuel in the carb during the week and hit the key and fires right up.

Re: Track Report E-85, very pleased [Re: Crizila] #762501
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I can understand the cooling part. Boarder line with your gas set up means dumping your steel fuel tank - of any vintage and going to teflon lined fuel lines and a compatible pump. You can make the oil change interval what ever you want, but with 30% more fuel going in ( think that number is a little low ), you can't help but have a higher rate of oil dilution ( reads bearing / ring wear will go up ). Don't understand the improvement in "consistancy" with the change over at all? I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I felt some negatives to the E85 issue needed to be aired, as it was getting too "peaches & creamy" Sorry if I have offended anyone. The switch obviously has been positive for some - short term anyway.




And again same guy with no clue. Stored in metal drums no liners. Same gas line as any car from the factory use. May need a upgrade to a high volume fuel pump. More HP because of better cold fuel charge. Motor runs cooler.Car runs the same in the heat of the day. Seen guys run 14 to one compression or 10 to 1. Cost of E85 2,45 a gallon here plus 30% more used ok lets say 3.25 a gallon. $7.50 GALLON FOR 110 RACE GAS. Yes this would be a pain in the butt to run on the street unless you have E85 station close by and don't mind filling up more often. No one has said they have switched to E85 on the street. If you need to read about E85 and the myths go to the E85 board and read.


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I can understand the cooling part. Boarder line with your gas set up means dumping your steel fuel tank - of any vintage and going to teflon lined fuel lines and a compatible pump. You can make the oil change interval what ever you want, but with 30% more fuel going in ( think that number is a little low ), you can't help but have a higher rate of oil dilution ( reads bearing / ring wear will go up ). Don't understand the improvement in "consistancy" with the change over at all? I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I felt some negatives to the E85 issue needed to be aired, as it was getting too "peaches & creamy" Sorry if I have offended anyone. The switch obviously has been positive for some - short term anyway.




And again same guy with no clue. Stored in metal drums no liners. Same gas line as any car from the factory use. May need a upgrade to a high volume fuel pump. More HP because of better cold fuel charge. Motor runs cooler.Car runs the same in the heat of the day. Seen guys run 14 to one compression or 10 to 1. Cost of E85 2,45 a gallon here plus 30% more used ok lets say 3.25 a gallon. $7.50 GALLON FOR 110 RACE GAS. Yes this would be a pain in the butt to run on the street unless you have E85 station close by and don't mind filling up more often. No one has said they have switched to E85 on the street. If you need to read about E85 and the myths go to the E85 board and read.


Actually I've had plenty of experience with E85, but not in race applications. If it's as great as it is portrayed here, I expect everyone will be switching over to it shortly - including me, as I don't like paying for race gas ether. Time will tell.


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all i can say is i am faster with using less fuel with E85 . simple as that

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Actually I've had plenty of experience with E85, but not in race applications. If it's as great as it is portrayed here, I expect everyone will be switching over to it shortly - including me, as I don't like paying for race gas ether. Time will tell.




If you wanted to spend the money to change over you
wouldnt go back... I swapped over a couple years ago
and the only down side that I have found is that it will
absorb moisture so if you let it set for long periods
I would add a stabilizer or WD40 to lube everything...
it takes 30% more fuel to equal the same BTU as gas
so you end up burning 30% more fuel.... it doesnt
go past the rings really any faster than gas and if
you had weak or worn rings then you would need to
heat up the engine to burn off the moisture(at the
end of the day).... I am running 14.1:1 compression
and it loves it... try it... you like it

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Actually I've had plenty of experience with E85, but not in race applications. If it's as great as it is portrayed here, I expect everyone will be switching over to it shortly - including me, as I don't like paying for race gas ether. Time will tell.




If you wanted to spend the money to change over you
wouldnt go back... I swapped over a couple years ago
and the only down side that I have found is that it will
absorb moisture so if you let it set for long periods
I would add a stabilizer or WD40 to lube everything...
it takes 30% more fuel to equal the same BTU as gas
so you end up burning 30% more fuel.... it doesnt
go past the rings really any faster than gas and if
you had weak or worn rings then you would need to
heat up the engine to burn off the moisture(at the
end of the day).... I am running 14.1:1 compression
and it loves it... try it... you like it



Actually, I'm in the market for a bigger carb, so I wouldn't mind trying E85. Not sure if my fuel delivery system is up to snuff - Holley 150gpm geroter pump, 3/8" lines ?( aluminum / teflon soft lines ). Don't want to get in to the motor to try it though and I'm presently at 11.2:1 static comp ( 205 - 210 psi cranking )? Also want a carb that I can switch back to gas with jet and block changes only. Don't know if that's possible though?


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Not the way I wanna get to 1000 reads, but my experience was limited to what I went through and the initial results. I was already asked what I thought about it and I reserve my final judgement for the future when I can see no adverse results in engine wear and parts breakage, etc....

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Not the way I wanna get to 1000 reads, but my experience was limited to what I went through and the initial results. I was already asked what I thought about it and I reserve my final judgement for the future when I can see no adverse results in engine wear and parts breakage, etc....




I just had my W-9 open the other day and it looks great
so I just put it back together(no changes other than
gaskets)... that was a year and half on E-85 and
it sat for 1 whole season also... with fuel in it
which I wont do again without a lube

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I picked up my E85 Quick Fuel 750 on ebay for about $600. It came with the 6-AN adapters and has been pretty much dead on out of the box. My car varied a little more than Lonnie's Saturday 6.35 - 6.32.

One thing I like is the fumes dont choke me like gas or alcohol. I have an open car and following gas cars on the return road is terrible.


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My Friend is running a twin turbo small block on E-85 and he upgraded his fuel pumps and had csu convert his carb and he has run it lean and rich intake gasket leaks, carb gasket leaks, jetted way to lean, way to rich and has never had a problem. He is running 8 to 1 comp. with 22 lbs of boost. He has been trying to talk me into since I built my 12.5 to 1 big block. He swears by the stuff.


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