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Re: ubly results [Re: EDDIEB] #745371
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Dave,my plugs ran the same light colour.had it jetted for max MPH,carb sealed to scoop.with a BG 825
went up from a 3.5 to a 5.5 PV got more colour and picked up 60' and ET.no MPH ?
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Re: ubly results [Re: tex013] #745372
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thats what i'v been thinking about. i'll put the 6.5 pv back in,its also a high flow pv and put the jetting back to 86/94. with that jetting i ran my 125mph pass at lapeer. i'm going to set up a chassis dyno appointment for next week to get an idea where the peak torque and hp are at as well as the air/fuel sense i can't get any color on the plug.
EDDIEB, i called and emailed patrick,said he'd call monday afternoon. never called. thru email he does'nt think there's a fuel problem.

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745373
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well, i set up an oppointment with A&A for the dyno for next fri. should help figure this out. i'm headen to the garage to put the carb back together with the 6.5pv and then i'll just drive it awhile and see if i get any color on plugs street driving.

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745374
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I think you are placing way too much importance on the color of the porcellin. Unleaded pump gas does not discolor the porcellin very much if at all. If you expect to read WOT mixture from the porcellin it is clear down at the very bottom and will require a lighted magnifier to see. There are many obsolete articles on the internet about plug reading. Even some of the better articles disagree on the proper things to look at for jetting, timeing and heatrange.


Here are a couple worth reading.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/pontiacdude428/Readplugs.html

http://cochise.uia.net/pkelley2/sparkplugreading.html

If you are at the track I think you should just jet for mph. Check the plugs to help determine if jet stagger is needed, timing is correct and to check for detonation damage.

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Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745375
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off the trailer car went 2 tenths and 2 mph slower. changed carb spacer to a 1" open from a 4 hole tappered and picked up .5 mph in 1/4 but lost .5 in the 1/8 with same et. changed jetting to 87/96 from 86/94 ran almost identicle et/mph. carb seems insensitive to jet changes,so i put 90/98 jets in and lost 2 mph and one tenth,but put some color on plug,grey. plugs have been white up to this point. ran into EDDIEB there,great guy. he suggested smaller high speed air bleeds,i agree. fuel pressure thru the traps was 7psi. any ideas?




How does ubly compare to milan? nice track?
Is it always packed?
I have always wanted to go there, but the last time I planned it, I blew my trans.

Re: ubly results [Re: GomangoCuda] #745376
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i checked the base of the porcellin and there's no color. the ground strap is burned clean to the weld. i took 2* (34*)out and made no difference in color. i'v heard before that unleaded pump gas gives no color,but last years program with same plug gave chocolate brown color on plug with pump gas. also, why is the carb insensitive to jet changes. even timing changes make very little difference in mph or et. i'll read the links you posted. thanks

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745377
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ubly is better than lapeer. smoother track and nicer bathrooms.

Re: ubly results [Re: POS Dakota] #745378
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just a thought. Are the needle and seat or passages big enough to supply 2 jets that big? That would be one possible explanation for the carb not responding to jet changes.


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Re: ubly results [Re: POS Dakota] #745379
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off the trailer car went 2 tenths and 2 mph slower. changed carb spacer to a 1" open from a 4 hole tappered and picked up .5 mph in 1/4 but lost .5 in the 1/8 with same et. changed jetting to 87/96 from 86/94 ran almost identicle et/mph. carb seems insensitive to jet changes,so i put 90/98 jets in and lost 2 mph and one tenth,but put some color on plug,grey. plugs have been white up to this point. ran into EDDIEB there,great guy. he suggested smaller high speed air bleeds,i agree. fuel pressure thru the traps was 7psi. any ideas?




How does ubly compare to milan? nice track?
Is it always packed?
I have always wanted to go there, but the last time I planned it, I blew my trans.




Ubly doesn't really compare to Milan at all. Milan is a much better track by far IMO.

Re: ubly results [Re: Hemiroid] #745380
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milan is way better than ubly. the carb is a prosystems carb,i would think the seats would be large enough. i put the 6.5pv in and went for a ride. this is a pic of the same plug in the pics above.

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Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745381
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thanks tex013 for the suggestion on the pv switch,your right. pics are dark,plugs not that dark in color.
heres another.

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Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745382
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Dave, that plug is damn near fouled from what i see, You need to read the "base" of the threads for jetting, your running rich (even from the 1st. set of pix), if you get a black dry soot from the flat part of the threads end, its rich, you want a complete burn all around it, but more of a dark brown, You need to jet it "DOWN" in the summer heat & thick air, you jet up in the fall, but you always try & achieve "best" MPH either way.

If you look at those 1st. set of plugs, the porcelin is not white, at least from what i see, there perfect if you ask me, they are light tan, i would try jetting down 2 & 2 from your base jetting before you went up & see what it does.

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Re: ubly results [Re: joedust451] #745383
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ok, maybe i'v been going the wrong way on jetting. no popping or surging down the track.

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745384
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went to a size hotter plug(ngk r5671a-7),i had autolite (ar3934) and jetted 4 jets leaner and went for a 5 mile ride down 75 and it felt great. no popping or surging and ran clean,it sounded crisp and clean. heres a pic of the #1 plug when i got back.

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Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745385
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one more.

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Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745386
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Looks pretty good!!


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Re: ubly results [Re: tboomer] #745387
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good. looks like i'm getting closer.

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745388
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Dave there are comprehensive details all over the net about reading the spark plugs. There may be some here yet in the archeives. I still would do the string trick 'just to see' if you have 'clean' air to the carb. Eliminating all variables will help you get quickly to its optimal performance.

Re: ubly results [Re: HardcoreB] #745389
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should the scoop be in the air or out of direct air?

Re: ubly results [Re: mopar dave] #745390
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the scoop catch'es the air but barely. heres a pic.

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