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?? about push rod angle?? #734874 06/27/10 03:16 PM 06/27/10 03:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 OP master
mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	well i got my rockers redone with the solid spacers and they are on the engine.OK now i have a question about push rod angle what if any is considered good or bad?I am probably worrying about nothing but just checking with you guys that know what they are doing.also i checked the scrub and it is real close to the middle of the valve stem thats how you want it right? thanks Mopar65 6056928-100_0760(Large).jpg (464 downloads) 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734875 06/27/10 03:17 PM 06/27/10 03:17 PM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	second pic 6056929-100_0764.jpg (376 downloads) 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734876 06/27/10 03:22 PM 06/27/10 03:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,074 detroit, mi POS Dakota super stock
POS Dakota super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,074 detroit, mi	Looks ok to me. Nothing's hitting anywhere, right? Scrub is good? Run it!

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734877 06/27/10 03:43 PM 06/27/10 03:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Those look like standard offset rockers. So pushrod angle should not be an issue. Lots of guys have been running Indy 440-1 offset rockers which make the intake pushrod angle more severe. But even on low decks, which make it worse with the shorter pushrod, it typically is not an issue. But with large offset rockers, reducing pushrod angle with large valve spring pressures (700 open) can be helpful; i.e. offset roller lifters. This is my 440-1 setup on my low deck (400) block. But I am not running much spring pressure (solid, flat tappet cam). 6056959-Pushrod_angle_440-1_600.jpg (1351 downloads) 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: 440Jim] #734878 06/27/10 04:16 PM 06/27/10 04:16 PM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	wow those are angled pretty good jim. sorry for the confusion the angle i am talking about is the push rod cup to rocker adjuster angle? my question was at max lift is the push rod cup/rocker arm adjuster supposed to be in a straight line? or does it matter? i tried to take a pic of it in the first post but i could never get a very good pic to come out. jim the angle i am asking about is number (4) http://www.hughesengines.com/Upload/productInstructions/RockerArmBundleinstructions.pdf thanks bobby 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: 440Jim] #734879 06/27/10 04:23 PM 06/27/10 04:23 PM
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moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: But with large offset rockers, reducing pushrod angle with large valve spring pressures (700 open) can be helpful; i.e. offset roller lifters. I thought the offset lifter for the pushrod cup was for the exhaust rocker... thats how my 440-1 setup is anyway! Mopar Performance

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: moparniac] #734880 06/27/10 04:48 PM 06/27/10 04:48 PM
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hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,593 Great Neck,LI,new york	Should the pushrods be slightly longer to reduce the amount of adjuster under the rocker?? HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: moparniac] #734881 06/27/10 05:13 PM 06/27/10 05:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,941 NC	Quote: Quote: But with large offset rockers, reducing pushrod angle with large valve spring pressures (700 open) can be helpful; i.e. offset roller lifters. I thought the offset lifter for the pushrod cup was for the exhaust rocker... thats how my 440-1 setup is anyway! Sledge, I don't see how that would work? I added the blue arrow to my pic to show which direction the rocker offset moves the top of the pushrod (to the right). That puts the pushrod at an angle, and a lifter with the pushrod seat offset toward the exhaust (to the right) would help the intake pushrod angle closer to stock. I see the original poster (Mopar65) is talking about rocker adjuster to pushrod angle, but this is for Sledgehammer. 6057065-Pushrod_angle_440-1_600labels.jpg (679 downloads) Last edited by 440Jim; 06/27/10 05:36 PM.

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: 440Jim] #734882 06/27/10 05:19 PM 06/27/10 05:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,494 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,494 Kalispell Mt.	I think he is refering to the left right angle when looking at the front of the engine. If that is what he is talking about than ideally you wuold want the adjuster and pushrod in a perfect straight line at 1/2 lift. For what it's worth a W2 small block has a real bad push rod angle no matter what angle you look at it and people have been running them 7000+ RPM for several decades I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734883 06/27/10 07:27 PM 06/27/10 07:27 PM
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69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	What rockers did you end up going with Bobby ?

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #734884 06/27/10 08:44 PM 06/27/10 08:44 PM
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instigator super stock I Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky	Crazy angle!!!! 65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #734885 06/27/10 09:06 PM 06/27/10 09:06 PM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	hi doug i ended up staying with the cranes for now.I have the engine ready to go in the car. but it has just been to damn hot lately lol. I hope to have it in tje car by the end of the week. how is the 65 doing? i mean have you mad any passes with the new stuff you did to the car? thanks Bobby 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: hemi-itis] #734886 06/27/10 09:21 PM 06/27/10 09:21 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Should the pushrods be slightly longer to reduce the amount of adjuster under the rocker?? Looks to me like the push rods are too short. This would improve the angle slightly also - and the oiling in the ball/cup area. 1 thread showing is what to shoot for. Fastest 300

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: Crizila] #734887 06/27/10 09:41 PM 06/27/10 09:41 PM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Quote: Quote: Should the pushrods be slightly longer to reduce the amount of adjuster under the rocker?? Looks to me like the push rods are too short. This would improve the angle slightly also - and the oiling in the ball/cup area. 1 thread showing is what to shoot for. are you talking about my engine? i only have around 1.5 to 2 threads showing.thanks mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734888 06/27/10 10:10 PM 06/27/10 10:10 PM
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MIKES_DUSTER master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former...	Quote: are you talking about my engine? i only have around 1.5 to 2 threads showing.thanks mopar65 Is that good or bad???

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734889 06/28/10 08:47 AM 06/28/10 08:47 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: Quote: Should the pushrods be slightly longer to reduce the amount of adjuster under the rocker?? Looks to me like the push rods are too short. This would improve the angle slightly also - and the oiling in the ball/cup area. 1 thread showing is what to shoot for. are you talking about my engine? i only have around 1.5 to 2 threads showing.thanks mopar65 I'm looking at the second pic you posted Bob. Just looks like the pivot area is too far away from the bottom of the rocker arm. The closer you can maintain this clearance (without the pushrod hitting the rocker - valve fully open) the better off you will be. Fastest 300

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734890 06/28/10 09:57 AM 06/28/10 09:57 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Quote: hi doug i ended up staying with the cranes for now.I have the engine ready to go in the car. but it has just been to damn hot lately lol. I hope to have it in tje car by the end of the week. how is the 65 doing? i mean have you mad any passes with the new stuff you did to the car? thanks Bobby It looks ok to me but I`d have to agree it looks like more than 1.5 threads showing. Also, don`t you run a roller cam and if so ,those cranes could be a weak link...... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: Thumperdart] #734891 06/28/10 11:32 AM 06/28/10 11:32 AM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	I was told by the guy that i got my heads from said the cranes would be fine for my engine. he is the one that specked the roller cam for me.For a roller it is soposed to be a mild grind.I thought i did but for right now i do not have the money for the hs.but if i ever get the money saved up i will but them.thanks for all the help.Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: mopar65] #734892 06/28/10 11:46 AM 06/28/10 11:46 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Do you have the springs open #`s handy? 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: ?? about push rod angle?? [Re: Thumperdart] #734893 06/28/10 02:23 PM 06/28/10 02:23 PM
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mopar65 OP master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,840 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	if i remember right they were arouns 520-530 open pressure.my cam is soposed to be a roller version of the mopar 590 solid cam.thanks Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

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