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Re: K&N air filters [Re: broncobra] #734811
06/28/10 08:13 PM
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thanks

you can check all the glass etching/art out on my latest progress pics of my truck on the truck page

any gasser pics

Re: K&N air filters [Re: broncobra] #734812
06/28/10 08:15 PM
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i thought i did. ill have to go though some SD cards and see if a can find them.. but its a 73 duster fiberglass fenders hood bumpers and deck lid, averything gutted inside just the bare essentials. with a 68 a-100 straight axel. and a 440, 727, 8 3/4 with 4:30s. want it to be my low 10 sec street car

Re: K&N air filters [Re: Haibach Boys] #734813
06/28/10 08:19 PM
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I've been waiting to see this "gasser" for years now

Do I have to come out there and take the pics myself




As for the lame 4 door

Do I have to tell you again

Yeah I know, I'm not really a fan of 4 doors (or coronets for that matter) but you've built a killer ride there.

Still think you need to paint half the rear wheels like they did back in the day.

Re: K&N air filters [Re: WILD BILL] #734814
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yea some white paint with M&H on them

that gasser sound way koool


Re: K&N air filters [Re: scratchnfotraction] #734815
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Re: K&N air filters [Re: WILD BILL] #734816
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im looking Bill.

Re: K&N air filters [Re: Haibach Boys] #734817
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Before we get ????????

Re: K&N air filters [Re: WILD BILL] #734818
06/28/10 08:36 PM
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old one....

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Re: K&N air filters [Re: Haibach Boys] #734819
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thats when i got the s/s springs in it and painted the under side. when i first started working on it... then i move to ohio and was stuck laying under some blue chager for 15 months hahahah

Re: K&N air filters [Re: Haibach Boys] #734820
06/28/10 08:43 PM
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Aren't you glad I had the TALL jack stands




Thanks again for all your help

Re: K&N air filters [Re: WILD BILL] #734821
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REAL NICE GUY!!! just because im slightly over weight

Re: K&N air filters [Re: Haibach Boys] #734822
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old one....






Anything recent?

I know you've worked on since right?

Re: K&N air filters [Re: WILD BILL] #734823
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yeha i have a little bit. kinda puting it on the back burner since the old man has been outa work since last sept. and it needs to much work to be streetable or drivable. ive been slaping together my old mans 72 duster he has owned since 1980. the car is decent..complete..has a nice black interior a-body 8 3/4 3:55s and a fairbanks racing tranny with a 3000 stall already, and its the cheapest thing for me to get going for him. it'll be a nice little street car for him till a can get finances straightned out.

Re: K&N air filters [Re: scratchnfotraction] #734824
06/29/10 05:15 AM
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you cant see thru mine right now,thats for sure

now if you let it dry out I could see it not filtering very well

the oil is not gonna let any dust thru if it is kept properly oiled

read the box on theory of operation on how it works,it is to be oiled more often if it is in a real dusty service area and heat will dry it out

so it does need to be serviced from time to time





I encourage anyone running a K&N air filter to get a Used Oil Analysis done on your next oil change. If your air filter is not doing it’s job, you’ll see it in the motor oil.

Below, the comments of Certified Lubrication Specialist, George Morrison regarding air filtration.

Introduction: The late George Morrison, was a Certified Lubrication Specialist by the Society of Trobologists and Lubrication Engineers as well as the founder and CEO of AV Lubricants, one of the largest Exxon/Mobil distributors in the United States. During his 35 years in the lubricant industry, He worked with such industries as Aviation and Coal Mining assisting with their specific lubricant needs in which hundreds of Used Oil Analysis reports went through his hands a week. As a result, Mr. Morrison was an expert in lubricant and lubricant filtration.

Quotes by Mr. Morrison:

"From a lube engineer's perspective that looks at a hundred or so oil analysis results a day, I would highly recommend you or anyone running a K&N or other aftermarket air filter do an engine oil analysis to determine that the filter is indeed doing its job. I can easily spot a K&N equipped vehicle oil analysis results as in 90% of cases the filter keeps out bricks and birds very effectively but little else. The #1 cause of reduced engine life is dirt. The #1 engine oil alert I look at is dirt. One teaspoon of dirt will destroy a large V-16 CAT engine.. i.e. we need to make sure we have the best filter media, tightest induction system possible to ensure maximum engine life. If you look at a K&N filter you can see through the medium very easily. Supposedly the 'tackifier' grabs the incoming dirt particles. Visualize a dirt particle approaching the filter medium at 100+ MPH: there is NO oil, no tackifier that is going to reach out and capture that particle. Filter face impact velocity is just too great."

"Regarding the "easy 10 hp increase", I would be wary of the claim. A recent VW TDI dyno day revealed that the highest horsepower developed at the rear wheels was for a TDI equipped a paper, OEM equipped VW vs. the foam/paper/K&N, snorkled VW's."

"If you have single digit silicon and low wear metals with your oil analysis results, you are about as good as it gets! That is a general target for dirt: i.e. single digits. If you have this with spectro, you have excellent air filtration with no induction leaks. As for recommendations, I suggest name brand/OEM paper. If a person wants to try another, do an oil analysis with quality paper, then another oil analysis, with particle count, for the aftermarket. This will give a complete picture of exactly how the aftermarket is doing."

Summary: As stated above, Used Oil Analysis is the real world test which proves OR disproves the as advertised filter efficiency claims.

Source cited: Click HERE

Re: K&N air filters [Re: CompSyn] #734825
06/29/10 06:04 AM
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When I used to be a member at Dodge Truck World the 5.7L Hemi guys did some dyno testing and actually lost about 2hp and 3 lbs of torque at the rear wheels with a K&N drop-in filter over the OEM paper. Yeah, I have one on my Coronet but, honestly I just have it for show and I keep the paper filter for driving. Just my two cents.

Re: K&N air filters [Re: CompSyn] #734826
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Maybe the aftermarket will come out with a toilet paper roll air filter to match the toilet paper roll oil cleaner! 100% efficiency from the get go! No air movement, and no oil movement. If you don't run a paper filter, the next best thing would be an old style oil bath filter/cleaner. Or, like I jokingly said earlier, a KN prefilter on your paper filter. That gauze with oil really doesn't do much if you check the studies done so far. That guy joking about the pantyhose earlier would probably be better off using that.

Re: K&N air filters [Re: OrangeProwler] #734827
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The KN filter was originally invented in 1964 for SCCA weekend track racing by Ken Johnson and Norm McDonald,
where many were previously running without any air filter protecting the engine, and the oiled cotton gauze was a slightly better choice... the lesser of two evils.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200402/ai_n9350913/

Ken and Norm later sold out for a small fortune in the 1990s.

When totally new and clean,
but without excessive oil,
the KN may have about 2 to 3 inches of water restriction less,
but that it out of about atmosphere all around us total pressure of 404 inches of water pressure.

The Spicer web report previously posted above has good graphs showing this, but also shows how quickly the KN clogs up, and it lesser particle trapping efficiency.

For daily driving use
shouldn't the restriction of a filter be measured out at 5000 to 10000 miles?
Shouldn't you be more interested in the 'real world' restriction during most of the time your engine is 'feeling it' and not just when new?

Re: K&N air filters [Re: 360view] #734828
06/29/10 06:21 AM
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please please do not put that 6 pack scoop on that 66. It looks AWFUL!


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Re: K&N air filters [Re: 360view] #734829
06/29/10 04:02 PM
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Quote:

The KN filter was originally invented in 1964 for SCCA weekend track racing by Ken Johnson and Norm McDonald,
where many were previously running without any air filter protecting the engine, and the oiled cotton gauze was a slightly better choice... the lesser of two evils.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200402/ai_n9350913/

Ken and Norm later sold out for a small fortune in the 1990s.

When totally new and clean,
but without excessive oil,
the KN may have about 2 to 3 inches of water restriction less,
but that it out of about atmosphere all around us total pressure of 404 inches of water pressure.

The Spicer web report previously posted above has good graphs showing this, but also shows how quickly the KN clogs up, and it lesser particle trapping efficiency.

For daily driving use
shouldn't the restriction of a filter be measured out at 5000 to 10000 miles?
Shouldn't you be more interested in the 'real world' restriction during most of the time your engine is 'feeling it' and not just when new?




Thanks for the info. Great article, great information!

Fortunately for K&N, people still love and use them despite the increasing mountain of data against them.

But hey! Cutting edge 1960s air filter technology on your 1960s Mopar, why not!?!

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