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HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued #734184
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i need some ideas 'cause i'm really bummed i bought a 500" stroker kit for a low deck last year, a 400" motor about 3-4 years ago and finally had funds for machining this year. i did everything, line hone and install studs, pin fitting, balance, bore/ hone, zero deck, cc'd one chamber to figure cr, performance valve job, blah blah. so i spent money i don't have so it would be done right and even paid $100 for a "trial assembly" but wanted to do my own assembly. the main bearings needed to be clearanced for the radiused fillets according to the machinist and this was done.

so, i have tried 3 times torquing the main studs with lube on the bearings torqing to 30, 60, then 90 then setting #3 and it tightens right up to where i can't turn by hand. i have checked for runout with a dial indicator, the bearing clearance was checked at .024.

any ideas? this is my first real build, machine shop is reputable yet have not called me back, the bearing faces look fine and i can spin the crank with a ratchet. i don't know if this is normal but don't think so. shouldn't the crank spin as easy as when the caps are off? sorry so long but i don't know what to do and i've spent a lot of money, thanks

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734185
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Breakaway torque can sometimes fool you. If it spins REALLY nice with a ratchet once you get it going then I would say your fine--However, Why don't you check the clearances and know for sure? J.Rob


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Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734186
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Make sure the caps are not turned around, the notches for the bearings face each other.
If that is correct, and it is just the #3 bearing, it may be the radius of the crank journal contacting the #3 bearing radius. On my 500, I scraped the bearing radius with a deburing tool where I noticed some contact.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: 451Mopar] #734187
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Also make sure the #3 main cap isn't spreading the bearing. Check the thickness of the thrust service on the block and cap.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: supercomp] #734188
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If you cant spin it by hand i would say something wrong. This happened to me with a small block and the main that has the thrust bearings (center) was not ground wide enough from factory. All my clearances checked good with plastiguage, but would not turn by hand.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: w2dak394] #734189
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Have you knocked the crank back & forth to allighn #3 cap? , endfloat can be anywhere you desire dependant on cap position.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734190
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I hope you mean clearance is .0024 not .024. My bet is you still have issues with the crank radius contacting the bearings. See if there are any "witness" marks on the bearing halves after you have spun it with the ratchet.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: PC-CHARGER] #734191
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May need more clearance for the radius on the bearings. Did you set the crank after hitting it on the rear and nose a few times with a big rubber hammer???

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734192
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What lube are you using? If assembbly lube or grease clean the cranksahft and bearings and try 10W30 or 5W20 like I use, let us know one way or the other. If the line bore is correct, main bearing clearances are correct and no contact with the crankshaft against the any of the bearing due to radius fillet issues the crank should easily turn by hand, especially if the main seal is not installed yet. Even with both halves of the main seal in and torque it should still rotate by hand by grabbing the snout and turning left or right easily with out a strain at all


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Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: PC-CHARGER] #734193
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yes, i meant .0024". i set the thrust with a pry bar. here's the thing i can torque caps #1, #3 (thrust), and it spins beautifully. after further scraping on #5 bearing, i can now also torque it and spin the crank freely. now it is just #2 and #4 that cause binding. i have now taken a knife to these bearings twice and the machine shop did this once already. could this just be the radius needing more bearing removed? seems i already took quite a bit off the bearings already. anybody know how much difference between a clevite regular and narrow main bearing? thanks for all the ideas everyone, appreciate it.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: dirtybee] #734194
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yea send it back to the chinese

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734195
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maybe the cranks bent

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: Cab_Burge] #734196
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cab, my machinist gave me some joe gibbs break in oil to use for assembly. there were witness marks where the radius is but i scraped the bearings up to if not past those marks. also the crank spins fine at 30 ft pounds on all the mains but once #2 and #4 are torqued past that it gets real stiff, at full torque it takes almost 25 lb/ft to spin?

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: Quicktree] #734197
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yea send it back to the chinese




thanks, that helps

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: Baxter61] #734198
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maybe the cranks bent




that was my first thought so i checked runout and it's perfect. needle doesn't budge.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: dirtybee] #734199
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cab, my machinist gave me some joe gibbs break in oil to use for assembly. there were witness marks where the radius is but i scraped the bearings up to if not past those marks. also the crank spins fine at 30 ft pounds on all the mains but once #2 and #4 are torqued past that it gets real stiff, at full torque it takes almost 25 lb/ft to spin?


You said you check the crankshaft for straightness correct? If the crank has no run out sitting in the main webs on the upper main bearings then the align hone or main bores are the problem One other possibilty is the main bearings might have some debris behind them from installing them into the main web or main caps I take a small fine file and remove all the edges from the main caps, all the way around. Not just the mating edges where the main bearings slide into


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Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: Cab_Burge] #734200
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It sounds like you are using studs. I had a like issue where a Stud was touching a cap internally and when torqued, my end play would go away. I put a stock bolt in and all was fine. I had to have the cap opened up .030" and the stud worked fine.

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torqued [Re: dirtybee] #734201
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Do this. Just install #2 & #4 only, and see what happens. Then if ok add #1, check it, then # 5 and check it. See what happens there first. Do not install #3 up to this point.


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Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #734202
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Do this. Just install #2 & #4 only, and see what happens. Then if ok add #1, check it, then # 5 and check it. See what happens there first. Do not install #3 up to this point.




thank you, i did try that, i loosened all the studs, then tried #2 & #4 and it bound after like 30 or 45 ft/lb, the other caps were on but un-torqued. do the others need to be removed or is this ok?

Re: HELP, stroker crank not spinning freely when torque [Re: Shaker223] #734203
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It sounds like you are using studs. I had a like issue where a Stud was touching a cap internally and when torqued, my end play would go away. I put a stock bolt in and all was fine. I had to have the cap opened up .030" and the stud worked fine.




i also thought of this and may look into opening up the bolt holes in the caps but i don't lose the endplay of 5 or 6 thou when the crank binds?????

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