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Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: 451Mopar] #73300 06/15/08 12:18 AM 06/15/08 12:18 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Quote: oops, the degree wheel. Sorry about the photo quality, done with cell phone camera. that is without a doubt the largest degree wheel I have ever seen...

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: Dart 340] #73301 06/15/08 11:12 PM 06/15/08 11:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio mopowergtx master
mopowergtx master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio	GEESUS that crank gear was way off the mark! Quote: DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT buy a "stock replacement" or "factory HD upgrade" (double roller) from Useless Zone. Cloyes used to be one of the best but not any more. The one I got was from ADVANCED AUTO not Vato Zone. I had a Comp Cam double roller there I got at Summit Racing at the same time and installed the "American Made" one from Advance and then the Comp one. The Advance one was a fuzz tighter and looked to be of very nice quality and had a good "feel" to the chain. I degreed my cam with both and both were spot on too. So I know for sure the above destruction in that pic wont happen to me.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: mopowergtx] #73302 06/15/08 11:21 PM 06/15/08 11:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	You're just looking at the wrong dot, the outer dot for lining up with cam dot is stamped very lightly is all.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: mopowergtx] #73303 06/15/08 11:33 PM 06/15/08 11:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Scott helped walk me through dial in my gears today. I feel much better having done it. We are within one degree of the cam's specs. Close enough for me. Probably that much error in the whole system. Thanks Scott.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: buildanother] #73304 06/16/08 12:15 AM 06/16/08 12:15 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio mopowergtx master
mopowergtx master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio	Quote: You're just looking at the wrong dot, the outer dot for lining up with cam dot is stamped very lightly is all. Ouch you might be right on that. If so (and I'm not doubting you at all, because that seems from memory now that you mentioned it, how they are) you just made the poor guy feel really bad now about that mistake.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: mopowergtx] #73305 06/16/08 12:23 AM 06/16/08 12:23 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	meh.. its all good. the average guy would just line up the DOTS that they clearly see.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER #73306 06/16/08 12:25 AM 06/16/08 12:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	I think I've seen too many dots actually. Now me gots a headache....

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: buildanother] #73307 06/16/08 12:53 AM 06/16/08 12:53 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio 6 65cuda mopar addict
65cuda mopar addict 6 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio	Yep thats what i did and it cost me a motor. they had the dots reversed. big dot on the keyway and the speck of a dot by the tooth that you need for the match up. couldn't see the speck even with the blowup the GTX did. you can see how big the one pine needle looks in the center of the pic. now i have this funny looking rod. i don't think i can use it again. 4491694-P5200003.JPG (30 downloads) 65 Cuda 360,3.23 SG-13.97 @99.4, 88 D100, 2000 Kota Qcab, 71 Duster 416 11.84 @110., 73 Imp ,(2)72 & (1)71 Dart Swingers GarysMocars Legendary Dealer

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: 65cuda] #73308 06/16/08 08:35 AM 06/16/08 08:35 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio mopowergtx master
mopowergtx master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,075 Eastern Ohio	Quote: Yep thats what i did and it cost me a motor. they had the dots reversed. big dot on the keyway and the speck of a dot by the tooth that you need for the match up. couldn't see the speck even with the blowup the GTX did. you can see how big the one pine needle looks in the center of the pic. now i have this funny looking rod. i don't think i can use it again. Geez Gary you sure got a good humor about the whole ordeal. I'd be But I guess what can you do but live and learn.

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: mopowergtx] #73309 06/16/08 11:21 AM 06/16/08 11:21 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio 6 65cuda mopar addict
65cuda mopar addict 6 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio	GTX your right i have to be ok with this for the moment. but this issue is far from over. that gears set is CLEARLY marked wrong. i am not naming any names yet. i have went around town and took pics of many other timing sets and even have one of that brand that is marked correctly. so if i have to go to the next level i have all my ducks in a row. as some people would say. i will probaly get my block back this week and it will be time to get the new parts again. then i will find out how it's going to go from here. 4492209-P5100006.JPG (24 downloads) 65 Cuda 360,3.23 SG-13.97 @99.4, 88 D100, 2000 Kota Qcab, 71 Duster 416 11.84 @110., 73 Imp ,(2)72 & (1)71 Dart Swingers GarysMocars Legendary Dealer

Re: TIMING CHAIN CHANGE FOR A FIRST TIMER [Re: Dart 340] #73310 06/16/08 11:47 AM 06/16/08 11:47 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Quote: Quote: oops, the degree wheel. Sorry about the photo quality, done with cell phone camera. that is without a doubt the largest degree wheel I have ever seen... Thanks, that is the PowerHouse/CompCams 16" Degree wheel. Nice on the engine stand, but too big for in-car use. I have two of the cheap small degree wheels, but I decided to splurge on the thick aluminum 16" one since I have been building more engines lately (currently working on two big block strokers.) I think Moroso has an 18" degree wheel? Other nice PowerHouse tools in the picture is the crankshaft turning socket that the degree wheel mounts to, and the dial indicator holder that installs into the lifter bore.

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