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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
[Re: rdagw]
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Wow I just cleaned the spark plugs nearly all of them, except maybe 4, were fouled  Its like I injected steroids into it. The power is mostly back. I am still bringing it to the sop on Monday to make sure though.
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
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06/18/08 04:40 PM
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Sounds like something in the cylinder heads or rings is causing the plugs to foul. Were the plugs oily? That compression test will tell all. It is more than likely in the head/s, especially if they were just put on.
Was the cam properly broken in and is the proper oil being used with a greater amount of zinc? Maybe a lobe is worn down.
You are on the right track and learning, so hang in there.
In regards to those who are immaturely badmouthing the op, back it down a click or two. This is a harder to find problem for someone learning and sometimes things are hard to figure out, even when explained. If it hurts the motor, it can be replaced, which isnt the ideal solution, but it can be done if it is shot. Remember, this is his car and NO ONE needs to tell him to drive something else. I was once a younger Mopar enthusiast (now 23) and went through similar learning processes when I was in my teens. I have great knowledge now and can fix many Mopar related problems and build motors myself. It took time and I feel good now, but still, no one is going to put down my knowledge or my cars and have it bother me. I simply ignore that arrogance, or combat it with my knowledge. Some individuals need to realize that being rude and unaccomadating is not very neighborly in a great Mopar community such as this. Lets respect each other hear and help out, regardless of the fact that it is sometimes difficult to get the message through to some individuals with issues.
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
[Re: bordin34]
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06/18/08 06:06 PM
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The plugs were oil, while some were almost all oil/carbon, others were oil, carbon, with white on the ground strap.
The motor was "rebuilt" by the last owner about 3000 miles ago I think. I don't trust the previous owner anymore though.
I do not know if the cam was broken in properly but I did take apart the oil filter from 100 miles ago and it seemed fine.
Is it using any oil that you can tell, or is that normal? How many miles to one quart usage of oil?
Seems like a valve issue to me. if you get some compression numbers, PM me or post them. I will try to divulge what you've got. The only other way plugs could be this fouled is not from firing much at all to burn off the oil, but for only the right side plugs to be like this is a bit suspicious.
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
[Re: MoparJ]
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06/18/08 06:19 PM
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Both sides had oily ones randomly thrown in. I have only driven this car 100 miles since I have owned it. On startup it burns oil for about 30 seconds, but not much then it goes away. I couldn't get a compression gauge today because of rain. Edit-Here is a picture of the best plug before cleaning, one had a sludge-like compound on some parts of it. I am running 15w-40 Rotella T with a bottle of STP blue stuff. Now I'm mad I didn't do the compression check while changing the plugs I used 7 different techniques to get all the plugs out and it takes about and hour and a half. 
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
[Re: bordin34]
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06/18/08 06:36 PM
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Both sides had oily ones randomly thrown in. I have only driven this car 100 miles since I have owned it. On startup it burns oil for about 30 seconds, but not much then it goes away. I couldn't get a compression gauge today because of rain.
Edit-Here is a picture of the best plug before cleaning, one had a sludge-like compound on some parts of it. I am running 15w-40 Rotella T with a bottle of STP blue stuff. Now I'm mad I didn't do the compression check while changing the plugs I used 7 different techniques to get all the plugs out and it takes about and hour and a half.
If its burning any oil on startup, something isnt right internally. Bad valve seals fouling the plugs would be my first guess, if not, poorly sealing rings. Is the smoke blue? Could also be a bad set of intake gaskets, but lets get the compression test first.
With a little time, we will get to the bottom of this.
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
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06/18/08 07:47 PM
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Your plugs are probably carboned up like that from being too far advanced with the timing. When I advanced the timing on my GTX from its stock initial location at 6 degrees to 15 you could see the black smoke start to pour out of the pipes. Try putting it to stock for a while and it will probably clean the plugs up pretty good. Pull them after its run for a while and if they look good you should be good to go. It might be hard to burn all of the carbon off though.
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
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06/19/08 08:07 AM
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Hey there Bordin, please remember that it is very easy to blame a carb for engine problems. Most people think that way, actually. But 9 out of 10 times the carb is suspect, it's actually something else. You are on the right track. You have a wobbly vacuum gauge reading, which indicates a bad valve, and that is likely. The compression test will verify/deny the suspicion. Once you have the mechanical aspect of the engine in good shape, THEN you can start blaming ignition and carb for your issues, but the engine must be sound first and foremost. You're getting there! 
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Re: Points or Elec. Ignition?
[Re: 79powerwagon]
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06/19/08 11:14 AM
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Hey there Bordin, please remember that it is very easy to blame a carb for engine problems. Most people think that way, actually. But 9 out of 10 times the carb is suspect, it's actually something else.
You are on the right track. You have a wobbly vacuum gauge reading, which indicates a bad valve, and that is likely. The compression test will verify/deny the suspicion.
Once you have the mechanical aspect of the engine in good shape, THEN you can start blaming ignition and carb for your issues, but the engine must be sound first and foremost.
You're getting there!
I agree. With the oily plugs and the backfiring through the carb, it sounds like either a major intake leak or a bad valve/s. I would almost wonder if the owner knew about this when he sold it to you and just cleaned the plugs before he sold it to you.
Mudslinging aside, you are getting close to a diagnosis.
2016 Ram 1500 Crew Cab: 5.7, 65RFE, 4.56 gears with locker, Hemifever tuned, AFE intake, 87mm throttle body, JBA headers, 3" Flowmaster exhaust, split to dual 2.5" exits. 13.57 best ET so far.
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