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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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HPP was referenced back in the late 50's. Personally I could care less if it is stamped HP or HP2, does not mean a thing unless you match it up to a known six pack VIN. We have all seen C bodys with both stamps.
Ok, well, beats me, I don't know what the HPP meant in the 50's, never dug that far back. I completely agree on your statement about the VINs.
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What does the arrow mean, the stamp that looks like a sideways letter A?. It's on my block too.
The "arrow" is just was it appears, a sideways "A", according to Galens White Books it means the engine has 20 er cylinder bores from the factory.
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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06/13/08 02:37 PM
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Scott, I will guess you second pic is six pack too...what better way try to trick than show the same  Is the S440 75 truck? (I have a 76 here that is T440) I have only known that you check the vin to be sure of 6 pack, does anyone know about warranty blocks? Just the internals? If you needed a warranty block for a 6 pack, was it an HP block that you got?
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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We also need one of those for the later "thin wall casting" myth that's perpetuated time and time again!
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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06/13/08 05:42 PM
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Ok how about this one. While at the MATS I got into a little disagreement with Daryl Finch. He claims that all 440 HP2 motors in 70-71 came with the 6-pack balancer and the HP,s got the forged balancer. I said I've have several original HP motors with the 6-pack balancer.
Another myth?
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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Scott, I will guess you second pic is six pack too...
You are right about the first one, it's an original 1970 440+6 block from a numbers matching 70 Cuda. However, your guess on the second one is not correct, it's a regular old 440HP block.
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I have only known that you check the vin to be sure of 6 pack
That is correct, and so it remains.
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does anyone know about warranty blocks? Just the internals? If you needed a warranty block for a 6 pack, was it an HP block that you got?
The third photo is a factory Service Replacement 440 Short Block ("S" = Service Replacement) if you blew a 440 under warranty in 1970 (ANY 440) this would have been what your car recieved as a replacement. There was no HP or anything else unique about them.
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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Not to hi-jack but what does the EHP mean on my 77 440, 7T440 EHP, was told it was out of a Florida Highway Patrol car, no proof but runs strong.
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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06/15/08 11:17 AM
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Not to hi-jack but what does the EHP mean on my 77 440, 7T440 EHP, was told it was out of a Florida Highway Patrol car, no proof but runs strong.
E means cast crank.
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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06/16/08 08:34 AM
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Not to hi-jack but what does the EHP mean on my 77 440, 7T440 EHP, was told it was out of a Florida Highway Patrol car, no proof but runs strong.
E means cast crank.
Which it is, does HP still mean HP?? And what significance does that have in 77?
yes HP means high performance .
what significance 
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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06/16/08 09:15 AM
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"The third photo is a factory Service Replacement 440 Short Block ("S" = Service Replacement) if you blew a 440 under warranty in 1970 (ANY 440) this would have been what your car recieved as a replacement. There was no HP or anything else unique about them."
Now, from working @ a dealer (not in the 70's) I know that if ordering a warranty part, you ordered the parts specific to the car...eg. if it was a Eddie Bauer Jeep that needed a wheel warrantied, you looked up the Eddie Bauer wheel, I assume it would have been the same then.
So, if you look up the parts to warranty a 70 6 pack with a grenaded bottom end, you go hmmmn short block, 4 barrel or 3 2bbls? The tech says six pack so you order 3462619 as opposed to the 3462617 4 barrel job.
There is where my question lies about the internals on a warranty block. Did it get stamped "S" at the dealer as it was installed as a replacement, or did they need to go a special route to order a warranty engine (seems unlikely).
If your closest depot happened to have the block you ordered, you probably had it right away, were they stamped at the depot? (unlikely)
Or was there a list of warranty part #'s for engines and transmissions? Seems like a pain in the @$$ to me, they certainly would not have done it for trim or whatever, why engines?
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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07/14/08 06:42 AM
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Ok how about this one. While at the MATS I got into a little disagreement with Daryl Finch. He claims that all 440 HP2 motors in 70-71 came with the 6-pack balancer and the HP,s got the forged balancer. I said I've have several original HP motors with the 6-pack balancer.
Another myth?
It's my understanding that all 70-71 hi-perf 440 engines came with the 'cast-crank-style' damper. I have one, don't know whether it is an HP or HP2. And FWIW, it's in a C-body.
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Re: How to determine a real Six-Pack block?
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07/14/08 09:10 AM
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"The third photo is a factory Service Replacement 440 Short Block ("S" = Service Replacement) if you blew a 440 under warranty in 1970 (ANY 440) this would have been what your car recieved as a replacement. There was no HP or anything else unique about them."
Now, from working @ a dealer (not in the 70's) I know that if ordering a warranty part, you ordered the parts specific to the car...eg. if it was a Eddie Bauer Jeep that needed a wheel warrantied, you looked up the Eddie Bauer wheel, I assume it would have been the same then.
So, if you look up the parts to warranty a 70 6 pack with a grenaded bottom end, you go hmmmn short block, 4 barrel or 3 2bbls? The tech says six pack so you order 3462619 as opposed to the 3462617 4 barrel job.
There is where my question lies about the internals on a warranty block. Did it get stamped "S" at the dealer as it was installed as a replacement, or did they need to go a special route to order a warranty engine (seems unlikely).
If your closest depot happened to have the block you ordered, you probably had it right away, were they stamped at the depot? (unlikely)
Or was there a list of warranty part #'s for engines and transmissions? Seems like a pain in the @$$ to me, they certainly would not have done it for trim or whatever, why engines?
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You are assuming too much, that's all. The various engines sold as service replacments were never stamped at the dealer (as any kind of regular protocall) it was done at the factory. As far as ordering part#'s etc. Warranty/Service replacments had a tag rivoted to the side of the block with an assembly number stamped into it, 440 long blocks, short blocks, etc. carried a different number respectively. To my knowledge there was never a six pack specific number, only a 440 HP that fit all replacement needs respective to the year application. So, in conclusion, as I said before, regardless of any internal differences, all replacement blocks were stamped the same.
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