Re: 512 build suggestions
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I have several pump gas street stroker motors, one is a 518 low deck with 10.29 to 1 compression and the other one is a 464 C.I. 440 motor(3.9 stroke with 4.50 bore) Both motors have Eddy RPM heads. The big motor has a set of the CNC ported Eddy RPM by MCH and the little motor has a stock set of Eddy RPM, the big motor has a Comp Cams solid roller that is 260@ .050 intake and 266 @ .050 exhaust, both have over .700 net lift at the retainers. The little motor has a Comp Cams XE295HL cam and lifters, that motor has 10.46 to 1 comp, ratio. Both motors run well on the local pump swill with the total timing set at 34 to 37 degrees, depending on the track altitude and weather Don't forget that big C.I. motors eat big duration cams and need big air into and out of them
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Re: 512 build suggestions
[Re: pleasantk]
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06/17/10 06:12 AM
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A set of higher ratio rockers will work well here. The .557 is .631 with a 1.7 rocker if you can find them. Almost roller performance with a flat tappet cam. Sig Erson made a high ratio cast steel rocker years ago in 1.75 advertised. I used it with a .590 cam and L88 chev valve springs. I was shifting below 6000 rpm. Worked great!
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Re: 512 build suggestions
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06/17/10 09:09 AM
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Don't forget that big C.I. motors eat big duration cams and need big air into and out of them
Something around 265-270 at 0.050" cam and 0.600" lift would be streetable at 512 CID. CR depends, but 11.0 should be safe with aluminum heads, and the right setup (quench, duration, ignition curve, etc) could push 12.0 CR; but that can get touchy.
Check on that 4200 converter. If that was the stall with 440 CID, it will stall higher at 512.
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Re: 512 build suggestions
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I ran a 10.5-1 512 with Stage 6 heads, indy dual plane, 950 carb and a 238 @.050/.540 Solid flat tappet through exhaust manifolds and it went 11.55 at 117 at 3800lbs. Although your engine might like more cam, I think the .557 would work fine and should be extremely nice on the street.
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Re: 512 build suggestions
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I ran a 10.5-1 512 with Stage 6 heads, indy dual plane, 950 carb and a 238 @.050/.540 Solid flat tappet through exhaust manifolds and it went 11.55 at 117 at 3800lbs. Although your engine might like more cam, I think the .557 would work fine and should be extremely nice on the street.
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Again, no dissrespect but 11`s w/ a big 512 doesn`t cut it.....my daily driven stock stroke iron headed solid cammed 360 went 11.80`s-12.0`s at l.a.c.r. I expect MUCH more out of the strokers but, if you`re happy that`s all that really matters.
My 69 Bee is primarily a street car. That’s why I put the Gear Venders in it and kept the AC and all the power stuff. I’m happy with it running 11’s on the occasional trip to the track. If I want to go faster I take my RED to the strip and run 8.0’s all day.
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Re: 512 build suggestions
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I am contenplating switching heads on my 518 from a set of CNC ported Eddy with 84.0CC to a set of Indy 44-1 with 75.0 cc, that change will make my compression ratio go from 10.29 to 1 to 10.84 to 1. I'm thinking that will still be pump gas freindly with my camshaft, the bigger the cam duration at .050 the less the dynamic compression ratio ends up being. my new dynamic comp. ratio will be 7.862 according to the on line calculator on KB web site, United engine and machine. My message is build your motor with flattop pistons with valve reliefs and shoot for at least 10.5 to 1 compression Look at using a bigger, and better designed, cam than the Mopar "557" or "590" also
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Re: 512 build suggestions
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I ran a 10.5-1 512 with Stage 6 heads, indy dual plane, 950 carb and a 238 @.050/.540 Solid flat tappet through exhaust manifolds and it went 11.55 at 117 at 3800lbs. Although your engine might like more cam, I think the .557 would work fine and should be extremely nice on the street.
Again, no dissrespect but 11`s w/ a big 512 doesn`t cut it.....my daily driven stock stroke iron headed solid cammed 360 went 11.80`s-12.0`s at l.a.c.r. I expect MUCH more out of the strokers but, if you`re happy that`s all that really matters.
No disrepect taken, I was happy with the results. The car ran mid 11's on pump gas through exhaust manifolds, and idled like a a stock 383. Never had the car on a trailer and drove it many miles with child seats to boot. I could have added headers and hotter cam and easily run in the 10's...
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