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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: tahoechallenge] #718511
06/17/10 06:15 AM
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Thanks for starting this thread. I was just about to ask the same question about Champion radiators.

If it were a smaller price difference between Champion and Be Cool or Wizard of cooling I would just get the more expensive radiator, but there is such a major price difference that I'm thinking I just might try the Champion radiator.


tahoechallenge please keep us posted as I need a 22" for my Barracuda.


Phil

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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: LimelightCuda] #718512
06/17/10 08:05 AM
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Ma-Mopar's 26" works fine for me. 440. Cool.

The engineers new what they were doing.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: DennisH ] #718513
06/17/10 10:14 AM
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I put one in my 66 satellite and it has been great so far! Might get one for the dart soon...

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: enelson] #718514
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I just wasted 1/2 a day trying to fit my new supposed "bolt-in" Champion 22" radiator in my 68 Cuda. It is twisted so when you get 3 bolts aligned the bracket for the 4th is 1/4-3/8" away from the core support and the core support is perfectly straight. The stock fan shroud is supposed to fit. Well it doesn't. Not even close. The Champion radiator core is over and inch shorter than the stock radiator so the shroud overlaps the radiator hoses and trans. cooler lines. To top it off the mounting holes don't line up correctly and there is barely enough metal to redrill the upper holes. Plus I'd have to use a fender washer on the drivers side lower bolt to catch enough of the radiator to make it hold and then it wouldn't be a good tight fit. I just e-mailed the seller and will see what comes of it.

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02 Dakota 4.7 auto
Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: fishy68] #718515
06/21/10 11:36 PM
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Pic from above showing how it's twisted.

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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: fishy68] #718516
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I just sent one back to them last week and got my money back ,,,the exact same thing the radiator was twisted about 3/4 of an inch ....looks like they just sent you my old one to be honest !!!!!!at least they will give your money back ,even tho I lost shipping one way ....31 dollars live and learn ........

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: rook440] #718517
06/22/10 06:44 PM
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Quote:

I just sent one back to them last week and got my money back ,,,the exact same thing the radiator was twisted about 3/4 of an inch ....looks like they just sent you my old one to be honest !!!!!!at least they will give your money back ,even tho I lost shipping one way ....31 dollars live and learn ........




Ok, fishy68 had a twisted 22" A-body application.
What was your application?

I have an A-body 3-row 26" ordered and wondering if there might be a pattern of certain sizes/applicatons or just random issues.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Locomotion] #718518
06/22/10 10:41 PM
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I have a 26" 3-core in my 69 RR. It fit great and all the welds and everything look good and it doesn't leak. Cools my 511 with no problems.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: kzinge1] #718519
06/22/10 10:44 PM
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Well I should have another testimony here on Thursday and the shipper guaranteed that it was put together right. We shall see and I will provide feedback to the board.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Hemi_Ram] #718520
06/22/10 11:06 PM
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I put a US Radiator in my 68 Charger. It wasn't cheap but it did fit without any altering and it looks nice and it does the job.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Hemi_Ram] #718521
06/22/10 11:09 PM
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i will be ordering one tomorrow, hopefully it will be a good one.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: upnover] #718522
06/24/10 05:25 PM
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Well my 26" 3 core showed up today.
1) Welds are pretty decent
2) Has marks where it looked like it was installed once
3) Looking from above it is not perfectly straight but I will withold judgement until I try to install it.
4) Cooling shroud holes are not in stock location.
5) Internal size of the cooling tubes are small
6) If it installs OK and cools good I won't complain as the price was good.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Hemi_Ram] #718523
06/24/10 08:52 PM
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I talked to Champion today. They are out of several of the more popular sizes. They expect some kind of double shipment next Tuesday. And plan to start shipping them next Wed or Thur. FYI


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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: fishy68] #718524
06/25/10 08:09 PM
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Quote:

I just wasted 1/2 a day trying to fit my new supposed "bolt-in" Champion 22" radiator in my 68 Cuda. It is twisted so when you get 3 bolts aligned the bracket for the 4th is 1/4-3/8" away from the core support and the core support is perfectly straight. The stock fan shroud is supposed to fit. Well it doesn't. Not even close. The Champion radiator core is over and inch shorter than the stock radiator so the shroud overlaps the radiator hoses and trans. cooler lines. To top it off the mounting holes don't line up correctly and there is barely enough metal to redrill the upper holes. Plus I'd have to use a fender washer on the drivers side lower bolt to catch enough of the radiator to make it hold and then it wouldn't be a good tight fit. I just e-mailed the seller and will see what comes of it.


The one you are showing looks like the one for a dart, and your shroud dose not look like mine, which is a 69 340 Cuda, it fit great with no probs. sorry your not pleased, i think you have the wrong rad. I have part # cc1635.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Lew] #718525
06/25/10 10:21 PM
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The one you are showing looks like the one for a dart, and your shroud dose not look like mine, which is a 69 340 Cuda, it fit great with no probs. sorry your not pleased, i think you have the wrong rad. I have part # cc1635.




I didn't mention it but my Cuda has been switched over to the 70 and up style cooling package which has the inlet and outlet swapped from side to side. Your correct in that the new radiator is for a Dart. I ordered it for a 72 Dart to be exact because that's what the radiator that was in my car was out of and fit perfectly and the shroud bolted up to it correctly. The new radiator was supposed to be just like a 72 Dart V8 radiator but is made too short. The supplier I got it from told me (after he talked to Champion) that they had some problems with some A-body radiators being too tall so they started making them 2" shorter. He's trying to find an early one that's taller. If this one were 2" taller and straight it would work perfect. If it were a case where I screwed up and ordered the wrong radiator I would have just bitten the bullet.

BTW: The fellow I bought mine from seems like a straight shooter and trying to remedy the problem.


68 Cuda 408/904/8-3/4
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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: moparjo68] #718526
06/25/10 10:34 PM
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Ok, I put a radiator in my truck from "www.radiator123.com"...

It was an exact fit. And very inexpensive.

I probably wouldn't buy it, if I had a show car... But it was perfect in terms of "keeping the truck cool"!

Check it out, especially if you just have a "cruiser".

My ...

Tim...


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Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: cuda_tim] #718527
06/26/10 09:33 AM
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Has anyone asked the member who has the ad in the BB claasified if the problems being described are common and maybe a bad batch

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: moparrulzzz] #718528
07/10/10 01:02 AM
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I saw this old thread kicking around about the Champion radiators and thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

I am an authorized distributor of the Champion Cooling radiators and everyone has been pretty happy with the radiators. For the price is a great radiator and I have had alot of happy mopar owners putting these in their car.

First of all if you get radiator that is twisted contact your distributor about the problem they will have a shipping label sent to you and will send you a new radiator.

The drain (peacock) is not plastic the plugs on the tranny cooler are plastic. They are suppose to be removed if you are using the tranny cooler.

The bad things about the radiator.

1. They almost bolt-in directly. I only sell to mopars guys so I have heard alot of stories. Most people need to either notch out one of the notches on the bottom of the radiator or drill an extra hole. This typically helps the radiator to mount correctly. I have had members tell me when they measured the mounting holes on the stock shroud they were not correct from the factory so that has something to do with the issue as well.

2. The new 22" radiator does not support the stock shroud. Champion recently shorten the 22" core radiator because about 50% of the radiators were not fitting into the a-bodies. Well with the new change it is great for the guys that are in need of the shorter radiators but bad for guys that want to use a stock shroud. I recently had to do a return for one of the members here for this issue.

3. The upper hose is sometimes an issue. Champion only has three choices for the mopars. 22"core upper passenger lower driver, 22" core lower passenger upper driver and finally the lower driver and upper almost center for the early mopars. They also have 26"core upper passenger lower driver, 26" core lower passenger upper driver. If you have a different configuration you need to move the housing for the thermostat to work with that configuration. They do not have a radiator for a old mopar with a new hemi. I keep asking and I keep getting told NO.

4. I agree that I do not like the holes where the tranny cooler lines go. I know that is has something to do with the aluminum radiators but I had a heck of a time getting them threaded correctly.

I would love to hear all the bad news and good news from you guys about the radiator. I am a mopar guy first and if they were crap I would not be selling them. If your distributor dropped the ball and you are having a problem send me a PM and I will get you the help you need.

Let me finish by saying that these are not perfect radiators. Take a trip down to Autozone or Oreilly and see what you can buy for $200 and compare that to the 2 core radiator that I sell for $170 delivered to your house. Believe me I did it. I had an old Ford truck that needed a radiators and you should seen the radiator I got for $200.

If you want to buy a new stock radiator that is cool with me. If you want to spend top dollar on a high end aluminum they have some beautiful stuff out there. But if you want a nice aluminum radiator at a budget price that is working well for 99% of the people that I have spoken to at a show or sold one to then we had some nice stuff for you.

This is not a advertisement at all I want to set the record straight for anyone that wants to hear it. I want to make sure every mopar guy that might of bought one of these is happy with the product and if not tell me why. They come with a 90 day warranty and you can return without question for 90 days for a full refund if you did not damage it. After the 90 days for the next year you can upgrade or exchange for another radiator. That is a pretty decent warranty. So if you are unhappy let's get you what you need.

Champion right now has been on backorder for 4 core radiators for a long time. We are hoping to see some in the next two weeks so anyone that wants one of those they are still on backorder. All the rest are available on a typical week if you need one.

So fire away for comments and concerns!

Craig

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: JonGottaDemonDad] #718529
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Thanks for chimin in Craig.

Re: Champion Radiators any good??? [Re: Lew] #718530
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I just got a 375 last week and it was twisted. But not real bad and given the mods I will have to do to get the 26" radiator into an A body, I can deal with it. I don't think most guys would have used it, though.


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