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440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? #708189
05/26/10 08:11 AM
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Hi!

I am about to do the rebuild on a 1971 440-6 engine for a real V code 71 cuda.

I was maybe thinking abut using the 440 source heads on what would be an otherwise stock rebuild instead of using the OEM head castings.

I was wondering what the differences are between an OEM casting and the 440 source castings. If they are close enough and I will be able to install all accessories, stock valve covers, etc. Then I think I might be willing to use the stealth heads for a little more ooomph and weight savings.

Any info?

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: domingo] #708190
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no heat crossover opening is the big one that i'm aware of

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: ademon] #708191
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But thats not visible once installed....or is it?

Not a downside to that IMO if its not visible.

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: domingo] #708192
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On stock heads the crossover area has a U shaped channel around the crossover port that is visable with the intake on. The shealths don't have this channel, other then that, when they are painted it would be hard to tell the differance between the two.

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: Azzkikrcuda] #708193
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IIRC the stealths don't have freeze plugs in the ends either.


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Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: patrick] #708194
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IIRC the stealths don't have freeze plugs in the ends either.




The ends look completely stock, including the freeze plugs. Here are a couple pictures of the ends and heat riser area:




Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: domingo] #708195
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They'll work great.I painted mine black and the filled heat riser passage isn't noticable.


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Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: Chris2581] #708196
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That head looks dramatically different than a 906/346 head. It looks more like a 452. IMO it shouldn't be used on a car like a V code Cuda.

And some of you guys need to get your eyes checked if you think the lack of the exhaust heat crossover is "not noticeable".



MB

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: HPMike] #708197
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That head looks dramatically different than a 906/346 head. It looks more like a 452. IMO it shouldn't be used on a car like a V code Cuda.

And some of you guys need to get your eyes checked if you think the lack of the exhaust heat crossover is "not noticeable".



MB




I think you need a bit of a reality check. An edelbrock rpm head looks dramatically different than a 906 head sure, but the stealth heads are close enough that the casual observer isn't going to notice. However the nit-pickers who are looking to find something wrong will notice. But for the record, all the stock parts and accessories will bolt right up to them. Once the motor's fully assembled and in the car it will look close enough to stock that 99% of mopar guys would not notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them.

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #708198
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That head looks dramatically different than a 906/346 head. It looks more like a 452. IMO it shouldn't be used on a car like a V code Cuda.

And some of you guys need to get your eyes checked if you think the lack of the exhaust heat crossover is "not noticeable".



MB




I think you need a bit of a reality check. An edelbrock rpm head looks dramatically different than a 906 head sure, but the stealth heads are close enough that the casual observer isn't going to notice. However the nit-pickers who are looking to find something wrong will notice. But for the record, all the stock parts and accessories will bolt right up to them. Once the motor's fully assembled and in the car it will look close enough to stock that 99% of mopar guys would not notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them.




Thank you for your concern, but no reality check needed here. I am not a nit picker and my vision isn't as good as it used to be, but I can spot those easily on any casual inspection-painted or not. And so can anyone that I know, so Would Joe Blow know the difference?NO. The important thing is that YOU are satisfied with them.

No way I would be putting them on any of my stuff.

MB

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: HPMike] #708199
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That head looks dramatically different than a 906/346 head. It looks more like a 452. IMO it shouldn't be used on a car like a V code Cuda.

And some of you guys need to get your eyes checked if you think the lack of the exhaust heat crossover is "not noticeable".



MB




I think you need a bit of a reality check. An edelbrock rpm head looks dramatically different than a 906 head sure, but the stealth heads are close enough that the casual observer isn't going to notice. However the nit-pickers who are looking to find something wrong will notice. But for the record, all the stock parts and accessories will bolt right up to them. Once the motor's fully assembled and in the car it will look close enough to stock that 99% of mopar guys would not notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them.




Thank you for your concern, but no reality check needed here. I am not a nit picker and my vision isn't as good as it used to be, but I can spot those easily on any casual inspection-painted or not. And so can anyone that I know, so Would Joe Blow know the difference?NO. The important thing is that YOU are satisfied with them.

No way I would be putting them on any of my stuff.

MB




I know that the differences will be apparent, if compared one beside the other...

But if they are small enough I guess it wouldnt hurt to have aluminum heads on ana otherwise all stock looking engine...Id hate to dump $$ on old 906 castings when I can buy brand new heads for $900 bucks that will overpower the 906 heads, not to mention offer weight savings. Also, its not a permanent mod....so I dont feel guilty about doing it...or using new H beam rods, or an updated hydraulic cam grind...we'll see...

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: domingo] #708200
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Pic of my painted stealth heads.

6004651-ValveCover011.jpg (522 downloads)
Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: Azzkikrcuda] #708201
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Since the stealth heads Have been brought up I would like to add I was told to stay away from the stealth heads as well as their water pumps. I am going to be putting the 440 source 512 stroker in my charger and the stealth heads but was told by the guy they were having trouble with them and was told the Elderbrock Victor was the better bang for the buck.I don't have a clue about heads period or the water pumps but he did say the 440 Source stroker kits were holding up good.What are your guys opinion?

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: 70RT Charger] #708202
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My opinion is this is NOT a resto topic ...

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differences? [Re: domingo] #708203
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But if they are small enough I guess it wouldnt hurt to have aluminum heads on ana otherwise all stock looking engine...Id hate to dump $$ on old 906 castings when I can buy brand new heads for $900 bucks that will overpower the 906 heads, not to mention offer weight savings. Also, its not a permanent mod....so I dont feel guilty about doing it...or using new H beam rods, or an updated hydraulic cam grind...we'll see...




Your 71 wouldn't have 906 heads - it would have the next series head (346?) and those have two noticable vertivle casting lines at the end.

However - I'm with Mike - it's your car, do what you want! Be happy with it.

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: 70RT Charger] #708204
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Since the stealth heads Have been brought up I would like to add I was told to stay away from the stealth heads as well as their water pumps. I am going to be putting the 440 source 512 stroker in my charger and the stealth heads but was told by the guy they were having trouble with them and was told the Elderbrock Victor was the better bang for the buck.I don't have a clue about heads period or the water pumps but he did say the 440 Source stroker kits were holding up good.What are your guys opinion?


I know the 440 source water pump housing caused me 2 yrs of overheating pain because the lower inlets were 1/2 the size as the stock housings(at the 90deg angle). swaped back to a stock WP housing and my eng is running GREAT

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Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: 70RT Charger] #708205
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He's right, I'll give you 25 cents for each dollar you spent on the 440 source heads and stroker kit. PM me for my address.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: HealthServices] #708206
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I think they resemble the 906s more than the 346s or 452s.

906:



346:




452:


Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #708207
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All aftermarket heads come from China so they all look alike.

Re: 440 source stealth heads vs. OEM: Cosmetic differen [Re: Commando1] #708208
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