Re: Head flow rate effect to HP ratings?
[Re: Chris_Holton]
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05/25/10 09:10 PM
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Not to hijack, Chris are you related to Jared and Julie?
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Re: Head flow rate effect to HP ratings?
[Re: AutoEngineer]
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05/26/10 01:24 AM
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My target is to run with it to mid or high 11's. That would be enough to fill my appetite for speed, atleast for a short time
You should be able to hit mid 11's with stock heads and a 500ci engine.
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Re: Head flow rate effect to HP ratings?
[Re: moparmanjames]
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05/26/10 12:01 PM
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I'd agree with pretty much everything noted here. Manufacturer's published numbers are usually manipulated a little. Flowbenches in general are tools as good and repeatable as the weather and their operators. I use 2hp/cfm for a race effort, but as Andy said a street engine is a compromise in most areas so you will more than likely see closer to 1.5-1.75hp/cfm on them. The cam needs to make use of the higher flowing lift points of a head package. Let's say a cam has a valve lift of .600 and duration at .050 of 250°. If the heads flow ok(say 245cfm) at .400 lift and hold it steady to .600 you will make more power than a port that moves less air but still climbing (say 235) at .400 but ends with 265cfm at .600. The cam's area under the curve (the actual lift curve as measured at the valve seat) is what has to match the port flow rate and volume. If it's flowing better earlier (at lower lift), it will flow more thru the whole valve event than a high peak number and average mid lift. That's because the valve spends most of it's time between 2/3 lift and full lift than it does at full lift. So cam for mid lift rather than peak.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: Head flow rate effect to HP ratings?
[Re: AndyF]
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05/26/10 03:42 PM
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X2 More flow is only better if the engine is too large for the existing flow rate. Increasing CFM to 300 on a 350" motor will kill everything below 4,000. More low-lift flow may also throw your cam choice out the window - if it was spot-on for LSA and overlap before, increasing .100-.200" flow effectively stretches the overlap triangle and will raise and narrow the power range - but may not add anything useful. The reason why it works for most V8 engines isn't the theory (flawed, as Andy says), but the fact that 2-valve engines in general don't have enough area.
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Re: Head flow rate effect to HP ratings?
[Re: AndyF]
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Thanks guys for your valuable comments and also for your ideas how to get out the best HP/$ combo for a street engine like this AndyF, I read somewhere that you just finished up an article for Popular Hot Rodding where you used a Comp XR292HR-10 hyd roller cam in a 505 inch BB Mopar. Do you know when that article will be published? I am interested in the article because I will use that same Comp cam in my stroker. What you experts say about my combination of 440Source heads + Comp XR292HR-10 hyd roller cam with 242 int./248 exh.duration @.050" Lift + Mopar M1 intake? I have on the shelf also a old Holley SD and a Eddy RPM from previous projects. Which one would you prefer?
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