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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: 68CudaB1] #703353
05/26/10 08:28 PM
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Here is a link to the guy who has the billet hemi (not in this article, but interesting)

http://www.moparmax.com/features/featurecar/iii_2-twin-1.html




Sucks it no longer has the Hemi in it




Yeah, I know. He told me the only reason he switched to the Sonny's was because it took soo long for CN to get the block designed and to him. He ran his Hemi combo for years and had it pretty much figured out after alot of R&D......he said he wanted to race last year and his Hemi wasn't ready

So, the notion that the Hemi is easy, cheap, or quick is a no brainer, IT IS NOT!




Yeah, sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I don't think he's been as fast with the Sonnys program as he was with the Hemi has he?

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: 105630] #703354
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What did CN say about the block-as in deck height and such or any other infor they gave you.Was this the 530 hemi John had.




ANY deck height within reason, I mentioned 11" and they said no problem. Also, the one John has and what I would get, will come w/ a Chevy bottom, it will utilize a Chevy crank, pan setup and such. It will then have a 99' Hemi TOP as he put it....

He stated the 530" was the backup engine, I think

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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! #703356
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Tim Banning has a new milleium hemi that makes your 604 look puny




wanna share any info on that




NO, i will NOT! YOU call Tim and get the details!

If I am wrong i will eat my hat.




Why mess with the middle man. I just emailed Joanne Eric's wife



Because Tim really isn't the middle man.
It's his head being cast by stage v.

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: The Shadow] #703357
05/27/10 08:13 AM
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Tim Banning has a new milleium hemi that makes your 604 look puny




wanna share any info on that




NO, i will NOT! YOU call Tim and get the details!

If I am wrong i will eat my hat.




Why mess with the middle man. I just emailed Joanne Eric's wife



Because Tim really isn't the middle man.
It's his head being cast by stage v.





NO idea if you guys are making jokes or not.... But i called Tim Banning at FHO the other day when i heard about on this form that just maybe he was developing a the millennium head for a bigger bore spacing. He got back to me and yes they are working on a new head but it is still for the 4,800 BS block it is suppose to flow up up and up past 600cfm. And talked about closing in some of the chamber inside the head for better control/flow.
He was suppose to call Stage 5 for me to see if they ever did any casting of different Bore spacings.

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: Diablo] #703358
05/27/10 12:27 PM
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Diablo, I hope Stage 5 will cast a bigger BS. But this is the road Jamze Duncan went down with them and like i said, he had no luck. This was years ago, tho, so maybe Tim can be more of an influence on their decision making. I was hoping for at least 4.84, and maybe that is doable with the same casting. Anyhow, as far the OP(raginram) is concerned, a 650 ci with 650CFM hemi heads seems a very real possibilty to hit the 1400 HP range. Do I have a witness..Fred?

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: B1Fish540] #703359
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I'm bringing this old thread back from the dead. Anyways, I am friend's with Bob Book on Facebook and he recently posted an engine he built for Don Baxter. It's a 676 c.i. Hemi with an aluminum block and the 5" Hemi 99 heads. It made 1,600 hp and 1,100 tq at 8400 rpm!! Pretty badass. What is the difference between these heads and the Mountain Motor heads that Larry O'Brien uses? I was under the impression that they are the same, but the Mountain Motor ones look to be twice the size. These heads look more like the NHRA ones. And with that kind of rpm I'm sure it revs and sounds closer to the 4.9" NHRA motors.




Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: Kenny705K] #703360
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I'm bringing this old thread back from the dead. Anyways, I am friend's with Bob Book on Facebook and he recently posted an engine he built for Don Baxter. It's a 676 c.i. Hemi with an aluminum block and the 5" Hemi 99 heads. It made 1,600 hp and 1,100 tq at 8400 rpm!! Pretty badass. What is the difference between these heads and the Mountain Motor heads that Larry O'Brien uses? I was under the impression that they are the same, but the Mountain Motor ones look to be twice the size. These heads look more like the NHRA ones. And with that kind of rpm I'm sure it revs and sounds closer to the 4.9" NHRA motors.






Thanks for bringing the thread back.....


That is an awesome engine.

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: jim sciortino] #703361
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The O'Brien heads you are referring to took a lot of work and welding. He took the intake half, and then the center half, and then the exhaust half, of heads like these, and welded them together to make a head 1-1/2 times as wide. They were beautiful. I believe he is casting them in 1 piece now.

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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: rickseeman] #703362
10/10/12 11:50 AM
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The O'Brien heads you are referring to took a lot of work and welding. He took the intake half, and then the center half, and then the exhaust half, of heads like these, and welded them together to make a head 1-1/2 times as wide. They were beautiful. I believe he is casting them in 1 piece now.




Mr. Seeman, I actually had a chance to visit with Mr. O'brien while he was running at the ADRL Memphis Drags. He is now running a completely different engine configuration from the Hemi99 that NHRA Pro Stock is running. The block may be the same but the cylinder heads are completely different. The new design was done by Jon Kaase and machined by Mr. O'brien. Mr. O'brien was gracious enough to show me the old engine and he was fed up with where it was in terms of performance. For whatever reason, the 5in redesign of the Hemi99 just didn't deliver enough HP to be competitive. The new engine he has makes 50HP more than the Hemi99. Unfortunately, those heads are available to the open market as they are custom one off's. For the right price you could probably get them.

I'm going to the Throwdown at T-Town this weekend so I will try to get you guys some pictures of the new engine while I'm there.

On another note, I'm not sure that the 5in Hemi99 castings are as technologically advanced as the NHRA Pro Stock versions. I would think that upsized version of Allen Johnson's or V. Gaines engines would reap dividends in a 5in of 5.3in configuration but the engine would have to be re-adjusted for reduce rpm of the bigger engine.


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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: Adrielp] #703363
10/10/12 05:00 PM
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To my knowledge Mother mopar stopped the production of the 5in 99 Heads when everyone was going 5.2-5.3. So they kept developing the 4.9 pro stock stuff and only a few guys like Kaase and Goodwin continued with the 5 inch Mopar stuff.

My heads would be one of the newer 5 inch heads Goodwin has done but nothing compared to his new Billet stuff!

Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get! [Re: Diablo] #703364
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One of Goodwins new Billet Hemi's for sale.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Engines-and-re...illet-Hemi.html

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