Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you g
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Regarding deck ht., I ran 11.225" & 11.800" (with aluminum spacer plates on the block). The 11.800 ht. was likely overkill once the pistons were finally light enough, but it did allow me to get a 7.800"+ rod in it - which again probably isn't needed if the piston is light enough. I initially had a lot of skirt wear (specifically piston rock at the bottom of the stroke) and the longer the rod, the better they lived. Borespace was that little 4.800".
This is the Big Hemi Pro Mod Dodge Stealth Fred and me are talking about owned and built by James Duncan. He has since sold the car and retired from racing( i think he was just burned out trying to run a real 426 hemi with all the brand x exotic stuff) The car was ran in the Southern Pro Mod circuits.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you g
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The man doing the 99 hemi to 650 inches is Todd Gosman ,I may be saying his last name wrong,have to go back to my emails with him.But when I talked to him he was in the process of building two engines by adding deck plates and sleeves to the engines to get them bigger ,these where the 99 4.9 bore nhra blocks .He was waiting on cranks and other stuff to finish them and he really wanted to finish them before telling people that it was feastable to do as he wasn't sure how them would run ,but there was a lot of machine work involved and he told me to keep in contact to see how they worked before he would start doing others engine work.I actually will be getting Gene Fulton to look at doing almost the same to my 99 to get a little over 600 inches .
I was also in contact with him a few years back when he started that project. I was at the time looking at buying his TS engine for my puller. He was building the hemi's for his puller but said a lot of things were holding him back at the time. He told me at the time (almost 2 years ago now)that he expected a good 200hp more with the hemi's then his TS engine which was in the low 1200hp range.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you g
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If somebody was to go all out they should contact Tim at FHO He is working on a specially cast head by stage v that flows in the 650cfm range.
gulp...Thats amazing! Still need to get big cubes, tho..wonder what the BS is..
4.84 BS He is looking into getting deck spacers made as nobody is willing to make changes to their blocks. Tim's like a mad scientist when it comes to making power.
Would they fit on a KB block that already has the 4.840BS?
I believe that is his intended plan.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor . your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
You have always been a Mopar racer who's living in reality. Many do not. We run a Ford small block on our Outlaw car because our Ford SB heads flow 430 cfm. I have Challenger T/A. My brother has a stroked BB Swinger. All of my new stuff is Chrysler but I race Fords because I want to win after spending big money.
Reality and status quo are not the same thing. Many mopar guys are not happy with the status quo. You do what you have to do, but dont expect us all to start running Fords, for petes sake.
Then keep bracket racing, Chet. For most heads up racing you'd be at a decided disadvantage.
Me? I've never bracket raced in my life..lol..I'm not arguing that you are necessarily "wrong" to believe as you do. Tim Davis is a good example of a winning mopar in heads up NMCA. But as you suggest, examples like this are few and far between. But i believe your logic is flawed if you make a blanket statement like " ..you'd be at a decided disadvantage..." to race a mopar in heads up. But in YOUR world, in YOUR reality a Ford is the ticket. I dont think you will convince too many people on this site to "see the light" and start winning with a Ford. I'm just sayin...
If you spent 100 grand on a Mopar engine combination you will probably be competitive in PSCA Outlaw. If you spent 100 grand on a Chevy engine combination you WILL BE competitive in PSCA Outlaw and have an extra set of completed heads. I am NOT a Ford fan but I am NOT going to spend the kind of money that I've spent and watch others outrun me. That is why I support the Ford decision. We started this project 3 1/2 years ago with a clean sheet of paper and some very good minds. The Ford SB combination is what was determined at the time to give us the best chance of winning. Last season we were record holders and won titles in both the PSCA and the WCHRA. That is why we run Fords. For stock, superstock, supergas, ect being brand loyal does not hurt your victory chances. For heads-up racing it does. Then you have to look at potential sponsorship and contingencies. Mopar just doesn't seem to draw that in. I am still waiting for the prostock hemi powered hot street car of Mr Costanza(Moparts member) to get sorted out. This one has potential.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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On a side note. Bob looks like you guys were flying this weekend...I think someone has found the sweet spot on your dealio for sure. Congrats on the numbers you guys posted with that little Ford motor!
As for the HS class. I love Chris's car for sure and think it can fly.....BUT...I saw some pretty impressive numbers thown up there by Randy in that class. 8.03 is STOUT and backed up by a bunch of 8.0 runs. But like I have always said if those Comp guys come out to run that class the rest of the guys might as well hang it up, or spend a TON of money trying to catch those small motor cars....I call it akin to Mihovetz with the little Musatng that could. He has less than 1/2 the cubes of some of those cars yet seems tro do pretty well.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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BobR, sounds like you have a well thought out engine program...no denying the superiority of the SB Ford. heck, I've always like Fords alot. I do have an aversion to chevys tho..lol..guess cause Flint was/still is a chevy/GM town..man, its bad, believe me. Good luck, this year, i know you will do great!
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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1. Thanks to Bob R. for spelling my last name the right way. (Congrats on the Win) 2. Al, yep, Randy is flying with the Cavalier, but, you nailed it on the head, he is a comp eliminator guy, that had a fairly easy crossover into HS. Randy is a good friend, and I applaud him, on his performance, but, I'll take a car like mine or Vic Brums any day, over a true blue comp car, covered in stickers, etc., etc. Once again, no sour grapes, Randy is flying, but, I would be happy to line up against him, as soon as my stuff is figured out. THAT is the beauty of Heads up racing.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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On a side note. Bob looks like you guys were flying this weekend...I think someone has found the sweet spot on your dealio for sure. Congrats on the numbers you guys posted with that little Ford motor!
As for the HS class. I love Chris's car for sure and think it can fly.....BUT...I saw some pretty impressive numbers thown up there by Randy in that class. 8.03 is STOUT and backed up by a bunch of 8.0 runs. But like I have always said if those Comp guys come out to run that class the rest of the guys might as well hang it up, or spend a TON of money trying to catch those small motor cars....I call it akin to Mihovetz with the little Musatng that could. He has less than 1/2 the cubes of some of those cars yet seems tro do pretty well.
Yes. Al, it came together on Sunday but we saw some good signs on Saturday as well. We had a high boost ignition miss that ruined 2 good qualifying passes. We finally decided that our plugs were gapped to wide and took a couple of thousandths off the gap and voila! We had the car set up real conservatively for the first 2.8 seconds then turned up the wick. With a crappy 1.18 short time we went 6.75/217.63 for the win in the final. Yes, hot street has really come a long way as has all of the PSCA classes. Everyone has stepped up big time and it's really tough out there now.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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1. Thanks to Bob R. for spelling my last name the right way. (Congrats on the Win)
2. Al, yep, Randy is flying with the Cavalier, but, you nailed it on the head, he is a comp eliminator guy, that had a fairly easy crossover into HS. Randy is a good friend, and I applaud him, on his performance, but, I'll take a car like mine or Vic Brums any day, over a true blue comp car, covered in stickers, etc., etc. Once again, no sour grapes, Randy is flying, but, I would be happy to line up against him, as soon as my stuff is figured out. THAT is the beauty of Heads up racing.
Sorry Chris. I am trying to prod you to get that monster unleashed. I was surprised that you weren't out there this weekend. No reason why you shouldn't be able to run these numbers when it's all sorted out. You have the hardware and the right engine guy.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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BobR,
sounds like you have a well thought out engine program...no denying the superiority of the SB Ford. heck, I've always like Fords alot. I do have an aversion to chevys tho..lol..guess cause Flint was/still is a chevy/GM town..man, its bad, believe me.
Good luck, this year, i know you will do great!
Thanks Chester. I would much rather have a Mopar and I even lobbied pretty hard to run one. Then we started adding up what it would cost to field a competitive Chrysler and that's what changed my mind. I'm waiting and watching Dean's real nice Cuda from Canada(Go Green) that runs in our class. He has potential.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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I agree 100% with you, Bob. I could have been out there, but, un-like most of the guys out there, I have not tested this combination, with the exception of taking it to the last Fontana race, where it was not a good decision to be racing in "Test mode". I have decided to take a step back, test the car, get the bugs (or most of them) out of the car, than go racing. One test session could do wonders for a car/driver in figuring out what the car/driver likes, as you well know. I'll get it out there, I just think this approach is the best way to go. I am shooting for a test session, than onto the next Vegas race, if all goes well.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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I agree 100% with you, Bob. I could have been out there, but, un-like most of the guys out there, I have not tested this combination, with the exception of taking it to the last Fontana race, where it was not a good decision to be racing in "Test mode". I have decided to take a step back, test the car, get the bugs (or most of them) out of the car, than go racing. One test session could do wonders for a car/driver in figuring out what the car/driver likes, as you well know. I'll get it out there, I just think this approach is the best way to go. I am shooting for a test session, than onto the next Vegas race, if all goes well.
Hope ya dont mind, Chris, want people to see what it looks like..the baddest mopar motor in the baddest mopar cuda! (IMHO!)
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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what about an engine with the 32 valve hemi heads from covalt? fully ported with the biggest possbile valves? as far as I know the only ever produced engine (572cui) with these heads (basic version)made nearly 1100hp@6900rpm with a small cam and 1.80"intake and 1.35" exhaust valves. but you can go as big as two 1.9" intake valves and two 1.45" exhaust valves. the heads flow close to 490@0.650" lift intake and 330" at the exhaust.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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Just incase anyones intetrest is piqued, heres one for sale in Race Parts section(no i dont know DaveW..just think its a smoking deal!!!)
"...Originally built by David Nickens. Combination made over 1400 HP @ 10,000 RPM.
Brand new 99 Hemi Mopar block Sonny Bryant crank MGP rods Diamond coated pistons w/pins 2 camshafts Jesel .937 keyway lifters 99 Hemi heads Titanium valves Jesel rockers with stands Mag valve covers Beck intake manifold 2 new C&S 1050 carbs Stainless steel header kit with flanges
All for $13,500. PM me or call my...."
The lifters alone cost 3 grand.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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what about an engine with the 32 valve hemi heads from covalt? fully ported with the biggest possbile valves? as far as I know the only ever produced engine (572cui) with these heads (basic version)made nearly [Email]1100hp@6900rpm[/Email] with a small cam and 1.80"intake and 1.35" exhaust valves. but you can go as big as two 1.9" intake valves and two 1.45" exhaust valves. the heads flow close to [Email]490@0.650"[/Email] lift intake and 330" at the exhaust.
Weren't those marketed by NRC(same poeple that brought out the first Predators)? Anyway, I have never seen any in an actual car. Not sure if there would be valve train issues at 8000+ rpm or if it was an OHC design..cant remember. But i think it went over like a "Led Zepplin" ..i.e., not much interest. Interesting head, for sure!
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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Just incase anyones intetrest is piqued, heres one for sale in Race Parts section(no i dont know DaveW..just think its a smoking deal!!!)
"...Originally built by David Nickens. Combination made over 1400 HP @ 10,000 RPM.
Brand new 99 Hemi Mopar block Sonny Bryant crank MGP rods Diamond coated pistons w/pins 2 camshafts Jesel .937 keyway lifters 99 Hemi heads Titanium valves Jesel rockers with stands Mag valve covers Beck intake manifold 2 new C&S 1050 carbs Stainless steel header kit with flanges
All for $13,500. PM me or call my...."
1400hp sounds nice but what kind of power do they make down at 8000rpm?
For pulling im just thinking if that engine got on a sticky track it would pull the engine down from 10000rpm and i was wondering if it would just then die like a high screaming small block. I've seen some of the best 650's just die on a tuff clay track at the end of the track
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