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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/20/10 10:56 PM
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If money is no option, you need to get on the phone to call Larry Obrien. He still runs the Mountain Motor Hemi99 engines. He qualified 3rd right along with the newer technology Chevy and Ford's. Yes that was right with the Sonny Leonard and Kaase built engines. If money is not an option, be different and build a copy of what Larry Obrien to your specs.
3 Larry Obrien 6.320 223.02 223.02
He also had top MPH for qualifying. We all know that there is more stuff available for the GM Sonny Leonard engines, but if money is no object, I beg of you be different, the power is there, Larry Obrien proves that. These engines are supposed to be making 1800+, so your HP level should be attainable.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/20/10 11:40 PM
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Why stop at 650 cu in? 
Sitting under Taylor's motor is an Alum 810 inch HEMI 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/20/10 11:53 PM
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Wheatcraft's predator motor in the dragster is well over 1300 at 640 inches. Don't quote me on that cubic inch though. Yes I know dyno numbers are relative but that baby has been 4.30's in the eighth on the motor.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 12:53 AM
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Agreed,
while on the 99 subject how many variations of the nhra 99 are there?
anyone know? I have a couple blocks and set of head castings.
They were skirted, 5 cam bearing blocks at first. They evolved into unskirted, 9 cam bearing blocks. I have a skirted block, but it's a 9 bearing block so I'm unsure how many different ways they were made. Then in 2006 they went to GenII.They stiffened up the roof of the head for better rocker mounting (a more rigid, less likely to crack platform) and changed the valve positioning in the heads. I believe there's probably more changes that have been made to the GenII stuff but I'm not aware of what they would be.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 01:00 AM
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I dont understand why a full out Predator motor couldn't push 1300-1400 on motor. M os tof the guys that5 run them are in the 1200-1250 range with a nitrous tune. I personally have never seen an all motor Predator motor, but do know that around 13.5 : 1 they make right at 1200 N/A so why not being 16 : 1 couldn't they make a bit more.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 07:54 AM
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I think 1300+ is for sure possible at 650, but as much as it grieves me to say it.... a single 4 on a thor headed ford will make 1320+ We do them at Engine Systems with regularity, and have been kicking Chevy butt with them including trucks with every trick in the book. The Fords are king right now.
Exactly my point.
"We do them at Engine Systems with REGULARITY"....That is the key. DEVELOPMENT!!!
It took the design of the Thor head and proper R&D to get those things to that power level.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 08:07 AM
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Guys lets be honest.
1500 with 650 inches is a tall order unless your pulling bearings every 3 passes and checking wrist pins? Not very economical for a bracket motor? i dont know that i have ever seen a car run numbers of 1500 horse NA?
Yep, 1500 N/A is tremendous steam for any engine in the 650ci range.
Friends of mine have a killer backhalf 70' Cuda at just over 3000#. So far, it has been 7.50 @ 182 with a Torqueflite.
Its powered by a 550ci HEMI 99'. By todays standards, that is a small engine.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 09:21 AM
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Hey fredie, how many hemi99s do you have in your collection?
you dont know waht your talking about.
so please tell us how many do you have ?
I don't have any only because I don't want one.I choose to build a real hemi.
would you like to answer the question in what car did they come?
Only one, and its been sold. Sorry if i sounded a bit harsh, I know you are a die hard 426 hemi man. With all due respect, if mopar guys like you who have a considerable bank roll would back the developement of a motor like the '99 and make it readily available(like a sonnys)mopar would not have to be on the sidelines in heads up racing with chevy and Ford. The 99 is a better motor than a DRCE, and right up there with the sonny and Ford hemi...just not many 5" BS motors around. Now that Sonny has upped the ante with a 5.3" BS and over 900ci even the 5." '99 810ci like pictured above will be obsolete. The '99 design is solid, we just need someone to build the bigger heads and blocks in order to compete and WIN! 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 09:38 AM
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor .
your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
 
You have always been a Mopar racer who's living in reality. Many do not. We run a Ford small block on our Outlaw car because our Ford SB heads flow 430 cfm. I have Challenger T/A. My brother has a stroked BB Swinger. All of my new stuff is Chrysler but I race Fords because I want to win after spending big money.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 10:09 AM
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor .
your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
You have always been a Mopar racer who's living in reality. Many do not. We run a Ford small block on our Outlaw car because our Ford SB heads flow 430 cfm. I have Challenger T/A. My brother has a stroked BB Swinger. All of my new stuff is Chrysler but I race Fords because I want to win after spending big money.
Reality and status quo are not the same thing. Many mopar guys are not happy with the status quo. You do what you have to do, but dont expect us all to start running Fords, for petes sake. 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 10:17 AM
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I've been reading and looking at alot of top end engines latley and schmit, Lee Edwards, Sonny, Goodwin ect seem to all be getting their 650 N/A engines up in the 1400-1500+hp mark.
These are all (i think) 5 inch BS engines.
What can we mopar guys do to get up in the range.
Is our only choice is to go with a 5 inch hemi style engine? What block can be used to make that many cubes? Are they using the same block as the 5ooci pro stock guys are using?
Just like to hear some cool ideas! Oh this is for N/A only
FYI, there are guys using deck spacers on the 500" Hemi99 to achieve 650+ ci. It may not be the best way to get there(as i understand it) but it does work. 
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 10:37 AM
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I am considering utilizing the 5" Hemi 99 heads (I have access to about 3 sets) along w/ a CN Billet block to go 800", and then add 3 kits to it to really compete in Outlaw 10.5 in 2011.... Since this thread is about N/A @ 650" w/ NO funding limits, then I would still go w/ a 5" BS motor, a set of raw castings sent to CFE to dial them up for the exact combo, the lightest rotating assembly you can find w/ the newest technology ring pack, 70mm camshaft w/ lift in the 1.250" range, the newest/lightest rocker gear that Jesel or T/D offers, etc.... I think it would make close to 1500hp
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 10:40 AM
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FYI, there are guys using deck spacers on the 500" Hemi99 to achieve 650+ ci. It may not be the best way to get there(as i understand it) but it does work.
Do you know anybody who makes them?
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 12:04 PM
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor .
your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
You have always been a Mopar racer who's living in reality. Many do not. We run a Ford small block on our Outlaw car because our Ford SB heads flow 430 cfm. I have Challenger T/A. My brother has a stroked BB Swinger. All of my new stuff is Chrysler but I race Fords because I want to win after spending big money.
Reality and status quo are not the same thing. Many mopar guys are not happy with the status quo. You do what you have to do, but dont expect us all to start running Fords, for petes sake.
Then keep bracket racing, Chet. For most heads up racing you'd be at a decided disadvantage.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 12:07 PM
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I am considering utilizing the 5" Hemi 99 heads (I have access to about 3 sets) along w/ a CN Billet block to go 800", and then add 3 kits to it to really compete in Outlaw 10.5 in 2011....
Since this thread is about N/A @ 650" w/ NO funding limits, then I would still go w/ a 5" BS motor, a set of raw castings sent to CFE to dial them up for the exact combo, the lightest rotating assembly you can find w/ the newest technology ring pack, 70mm camshaft w/ lift in the 1.250" range, the newest/lightest rocker gear that Jesel or T/D offers, etc....
I think it would make close to 1500hp
The one and only competitive nitrous player in Outlaw on the west coast uses a big Fulton motor with 5 stages.
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Re: Money no option.. 650ci... How much power can you get!
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05/21/10 12:45 PM
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At least the Mopar Pro Stock motors were purpose built for mopars!
please tell me what year and model car has them so can I find one . it's a race specific motor .
your choice of race motor brand leaves you at the rear of the pack.
You have always been a Mopar racer who's living in reality. Many do not. We run a Ford small block on our Outlaw car because our Ford SB heads flow 430 cfm. I have Challenger T/A. My brother has a stroked BB Swinger. All of my new stuff is Chrysler but I race Fords because I want to win after spending big money.
Reality and status quo are not the same thing. Many mopar guys are not happy with the status quo. You do what you have to do, but dont expect us all to start running Fords, for petes sake.
Then keep bracket racing, Chet. For most heads up racing you'd be at a decided disadvantage.
Me? I've never bracket raced in my life..lol..I'm not arguing that you are necessarily "wrong" to believe as you do. Tim Davis is a good example of a winning mopar in heads up NMCA. But as you suggest, examples like this are few and far between. But i believe your logic is flawed if you make a blanket statement like " ..you'd be at a decided disadvantage..." to race a mopar in heads up. But in YOUR world, in YOUR reality a Ford is the ticket. I dont think you will convince too many people on this site to "see the light" and start winning with a Ford. I'm just sayin... 
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seriously, i almost wet my pants, laughing at this one!!! 
