Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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I was hoping for some opinions on the following questions.
1. Would switching back to the old original small block torsion bars help up front compared to the 2006 vintage .920" BB torsion bars that I have in the car now?
2. Mr P Body mentioned my car sits too high in the rear. Other than moving the front spring up to the upper mount in the front extended bracket, is there anything else I can do to drop it down? How high should it sit if I measure to the top of the fender well lip?
Does anyone else have any other shock recommendations or are the Caltrac 90/10's up front and the Rancho RS9000X adjustables in the rear the way to go?
'72 440 Cuda 11.673 @ 115.91 w/1.663 60'
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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I was hoping for some opinions on the following questions.
1. Would switching back to the old original small block torsion bars help up front compared to the 2006 vintage .920" BB torsion bars that I have in the car now?
2. Mr P Body mentioned my car sits too high in the rear. Other than moving the front spring up to the upper mount in the front extended bracket, is there anything else I can do to drop it down? How high should it sit if I measure to the top of the fender well lip?
Does anyone else have any other shock recommendations or are the Caltrac 90/10's up front and the Rancho RS9000X adjustables in the rear the way to go?
A set of smaller diameter bars will help(they will have more stored energy... as for the rear height I dont know but I would try to grt the car level, with more front end travel ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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I need to adjust my pinion angle anyway so I guess I will move the rear springs to the upper hole, and then worry about what size shims I need to set the pinion angle.
I will put the original small block t-bars back in and then will adjust the right height. In order to measure the front end lift I assume I would want to measure the static right height to the top of the fender well lip, then jack the car up until the front tires are just about the come off the ground and then take the 2nd measurement. The difference should give me the amount of front end lift....right? I think 5" was a number thrown out earlier?
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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I was hoping for some opinions on the following questions.
1. Would switching back to the old original small block torsion bars help up front compared to the 2006 vintage .920" BB torsion bars that I have in the car now?
2. Mr P Body mentioned my car sits too high in the rear. Other than moving the front spring up to the upper mount in the front extended bracket, is there anything else I can do to drop it down? How high should it sit if I measure to the top of the fender well lip?
Does anyone else have any other shock recommendations or are the Caltrac 90/10's up front and the Rancho RS9000X adjustables in the rear the way to go?
I,ll answer Question 1. Torsion Bars!
For now. Id keep the torsion bars you have in there now. You stated that you set them up at Factory specs!
Factory Specs Go out the window when setting up the car for max traction ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hammer.gif)
The Front end will need lowered for weight transfer. As far as the frontend setup,
Id take the advice of "Captain Budget" on his set up. Read his post and take note. I concur with it.
But will add Your SS springs will be just fine.
EDIT, Incorporate Quicktrees Ideas in there too!
Shocks, Shocks, Shocks, as he gets his similer Body style to hook too. mike
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Ok then...I guess the new to do list is
1. Adjust rear ride height 2. Adjust front suspension travel/ride height 3. Adjust pinion angle 4. Remove pinion snubber 5. Calvert 90/10's upfront and Rancho RS9000XL's in the rear
Then I can always play with spring clamps and rear shock settings the next time I hit the track.
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Ok then...I guess the new to do list is
1. Adjust rear ride height 2. Adjust front suspension travel/ride height 3. Adjust pinion angle 4. Remove pinion snubber 5. Calvert 90/10's upfront and Rancho RS9000XL's in the rear
Then I can always play with spring clamps and rear shock settings the next time I hit the track.
You Forgot number 6. Hit your New Best
And 7. I dont think you need to address all of those things at once to run faster. Your car is doing quite well as it is.
New list,
Number 1. on my list would be to drop the front end torsion bars by a couple of turns.
Number 2. would be to drop the pinion snubber away from contact and remove any added clamps for a base line to see how the enginered SS Springs work by themselves with your combo.
Number 3. adjust rear ride height lower if possible.
Number 4. Go with your Gut feeling , I think your doing pretty good so far mike
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Where can I buy spring clamps?
As I said in a previous post on this subject... Mancini has them. They are $44something for two. I'm making my own. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Hey Pinkduster...thanks for posting the pic. I'll have to save a copy of that one.
Looking at the picture can anyone give me an idea how much I need to drop it? Do you think an inch front and back would do it?
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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If you plan on doing any street driving, I would not recommend some of the suggestions on this thread. Imparticular disconnecting / removing the front sway bar, small torsion bars, loose / lower front end, 90/10's up front. A solution might be to fit a wider tire if you have room. I run almost the same speeds and ET as you. Removed my sway bar last year - until I had to run in a gusting 25MPH cross wind. It was uncomfortable enough for me to put it back on.
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Yep....that's it. I knew I shouldn't have put that lift kit on the Cuda ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) Captain Budget...is there any chance you could post a pic of your car so I could see what I should be shooting for? I'll drop it down and post a new pic once complete to see what you guys think. Crizila...this is a street/strip car but I currently have a laundry list of changes I make before every trip to the track. They include unbolting the front sway bar (I just turn it forward and wire it up so I don't completely remove it), installing the CE 90/10 front shocks, installing the trans blanket, and putting on the track tires. So using the Calvert 90/10 shocks wouldn't make anymore work for me. I wouldn't run the 90/10 shocks on the street and especially w/o the swaybar. We have too many winding roads here in Maryland.
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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Here is a pic of a9secondcuda's car that I found in an old suspension thread. I like how his car sits. Is this what I should be shooting for?
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Re: Traction Problems......looking for suggestions
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And here is another pic of my car for comparison.
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