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oil dry sump and key parts?? #687491 05/03/10 05:41 PM 05/03/10 05:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	iv never paid much attention to them before and sooner or later i will have to have one for the keith black (they dont have provisions for a standard pick up) so if you dont mind what are the key parts and possibly explane just what/how they work? i almost bought a tank off ebay but didnt till i got a better understanding of the system 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687492 05/03/10 06:05 PM 05/03/10 06:05 PM
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Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	You can run a swinging pick-up with a single or dual line using the standard location for the oil pump. It just requires using a different oil pump cover and pan for the external lines. If you're wanting to go to a dry sump you'll need a 4-5 stage pump, drive mandrels, special pan with scavenge fittings , a tank and a lot of braided line and fittings. The dry sump is much more complicated and expensive, and may not be what you're after depending on what you're building for a engine.

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687493 05/03/10 06:05 PM 05/03/10 06:05 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Its a pretty simple system(but costly)... really all you have is 3 major parts.... pan(really any pan can work), the holding tank(this is where the oil is held, and the biggie... the pump... they have different number of stages... when they talk stages they are saying how many suction sections AND the pump section... mine is a 4 stage pump... 3 suction sections and 1 pump section... you will also need a breather/puke tank for it(some holding tanks have it mounted on them. Ok so far we have talked about the major parts... now you need a drive system for the pump,,,, and ALL of the lines and fittings... a complete system will run ABOUT $3000 depending on the pump... lines and fittings can get crazy pricey

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Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? #687495 05/03/10 08:02 PM 05/03/10 08:02 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	as posted in the orignal post the keith black block does not have a provision for a internal pick up the oil pump is also a keith black has i think 3(but cant really tell from the pic and the motor is not here yet) fittings(possibly 4)it has a new regular oil pan that comes with it 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687496 05/03/10 08:14 PM 05/03/10 08:14 PM
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Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: as posted in the orignal post the keith black block does not have a provision for a internal pick up the oil pump is also a keith black has i think 3(but cant really tell from the pic and the motor is not here yet) fittings(possibly 4)it has a new regular oil pan that comes with it I don't think KB makes a dry sump pump. As I mentioned earlier, you can simply run a pan mounted swinging pick up with external lines (which sounds like what you've got)and not have to run a dry sump. I think you may be confusing the two

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: Hemiroid] #687497 05/03/10 08:27 PM 05/03/10 08:27 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: as posted in the orignal post the keith black block does not have a provision for a internal pick up the oil pump is also a keith black has i think 3(but cant really tell from the pic and the motor is not here yet) fittings(possibly 4)it has a new regular oil pan that comes with it I don't think KB makes a dry sump pump. As I mentioned earlier, you can simply run a pan mounted swinging pick up with external lines (which sounds like what you've got)and not have to run a dry sump. I think you may be confusing the two Yeah could be a remote pump(belt driven) but without any suction lines

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687498 05/03/10 08:45 PM 05/03/10 08:45 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,202 Oregon	I did an entire post on how to convert a big block Mopar to dry sump. You can find it in the archives if you look a little. I also covered the subject in my big block book. I make a bunch of dry sump parts including block plates, drives, distributor plugs, etc. 5962452-lead.jpg (154 downloads)

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: Hemiroid] #687499 05/03/10 09:31 PM 05/03/10 09:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	Quote: Quote: as posted in the orignal post the keith black block does not have a provision for a internal pick up the oil pump is also a keith black has i think 3(but cant really tell from the pic and the motor is not here yet) fittings(possibly 4)it has a new regular oil pan that comes with it I don't think KB makes a dry sump pump. As I mentioned earlier, you can simply run a pan mounted swinging pick up with external lines (which sounds like what you've got)and not have to run a dry sump. I think you may be confusing the two lol im must be confusing the 2 i was understanding that if it had lines out side the pan then it was a dry sump system my oil pump kb unit and for the most part it looks like a normal pump on steriods lol here is all i can show you about the oil pump i have now you can inform me on what i got/need if you can zoom in enuff lol please carry on , 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687500 05/03/10 09:47 PM 05/03/10 09:47 PM
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Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	If im right that pump would be considered a external pick up pump. You will most likely just run two external oil lines to the pan. The oil will stay in the pan like most oil systems A dry sump means the oil pan in the engine is suppose to be as dry as it can be. All the oil stays in a separate tank.

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: Diablo] #687501 05/03/10 09:55 PM 05/03/10 09:55 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	so i just get a swinging pick up? is there differnt ones? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687502 05/03/10 10:04 PM 05/03/10 10:04 PM
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Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	well if that pan was on the engine with that pump it should have the pick up in there right? Or is the pan different to the engine? I dont know much about swinging pick ups. With truck pulling we don't need anything swinging. My 496ci engine had a external pick up like that but a stationary pick up in the pan. And the 636ci has a dry sump pump.

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: Diablo] #687503 05/03/10 10:12 PM 05/03/10 10:12 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	no the pan was just a pan that was put on and guiess latter run the external lines (i didnt do it came like that) so im just trying to get the oil system lined out on what i need to gather up again its just a normal pan with no pick up of any kind inside 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687504 05/04/10 12:33 PM 05/04/10 12:33 PM
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toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	anyone ever put a swing arm onto a pan? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687505 05/04/10 12:40 PM 05/04/10 12:40 PM
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blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	Quote: anyone ever put a swing arm onto a pan? i have a milodon swinging pu in my moroso 8qt pan.i used a hole saw to cut the pan after carefull measuring. 5963526-100_3905.jpg (90 downloads) Last edited by METAL STORM; 05/04/10 12:52 PM.

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687506 05/04/10 12:45 PM 05/04/10 12:45 PM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: no the pan was just a pan that was put on and guiess latter run the external lines (i didnt do it came like that) so im just trying to get the oil system lined out on what i need to gather up again its just a normal pan with no pick up of any kind inside You can just cut that pan up and put a pickup in the bottom of it, with a -12 male sticking out of the pan. Then run a line to your pump from the pan and line from the pump to the main supply on the block. Very simple and it's still a wet sump. Here's a pic of my dry sump system SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: DemonDust] #687507 05/04/10 12:53 PM 05/04/10 12:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	whats a fair price for a pickup? anything to look for? is there differnt types? something to stay away from? thanks guys 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687508 05/04/10 01:15 PM 05/04/10 01:15 PM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: whats a fair price for a pickup? anything to look for? is there differnt types? something to stay away from? thanks guys My pan has 3 of the chevy style pickups. You can get them very cheap and any competent tig welder can modify it and weld it into your pan. Here is an example Chevy Pickup SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: DemonDust] #687509 05/04/10 01:23 PM 05/04/10 01:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo. T toplescuda OP I Whine
toplescuda OP I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,882 poplar bluff mo.	how in the world did you mount a external line to that? 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: oil dry sump and key parts?? [Re: toplescuda] #687510 05/04/10 01:27 PM 05/04/10 01:27 PM
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DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	You cut the J hook off so the tube is straight. Then cut a hole in the pan get a -12 weld fitting. weld the tube to the pan then weld the weld fitting on the outside. Very simple for any good tig welder to do. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

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