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Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... #682836
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...I see has a new best in your signature.

What did ya do to get that 11.03 @ 121??

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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: cudadoug] #682837
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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WILD BILL] #682838
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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: rickstershemi] #682839
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This was our first weekend our with it so I'm still hoping for a 10.90 or maybe even a 10.80 with some tuning.

Here is the combo:

1968 Fastback Barracuda
318 stroker (390cid)
K1 4" forged crank
Eagle Rods H-beam rods
Ross flat top pistons - 11:1 compression
Edelbrock heads (OOTB) -- untouched but hope to get them ported next year.
Air-gap dual plane ---- Now M1 intake
BG 750 silver claw – AV gas -- Now Holley 950 Alcohol carb
Comp solid cam (.540/.555 252/262 @.050 106 lobe sep)
727 & Dynamic 9.5” converter
3.91 gears in a 8 ¾ sure grip ---- 4.30 gears and spool with 35 spline axles now
Micky Thompson 26x10 slicks ----- Now GoodYear 28x10
Cal-tracs, mono leaf, Rancho 9way shocks & Cal-tracs 90/10 front shocks
Carter mechanical fuel pump -- Now Aeromotive 2000 fuel pump
TTI headers 1 5/8 step headers with full 3” TTI exhaust, X pipe with Dynomax turbos
ran 11.35 at 118mph shifting at 5,700rpm

Here is what I did this winter:
putting a 6 point roll bar in
pulling out the stock tank and going to a 5 gal fuel cell
Aeromotive 2000 fuel pump
moving the battery to the trunk
moving to a spool
4.30 gears
GoodYear 28x10 slicks
M1 intake
Holley 950 Alcohol carb 132 jet and power valves (Going to Alcohol)

Weighed the car this weekend and it weighed 3,095 so race weight is somewhere close to 3,250lbs so I think that calculates to just over 550hp at the flywheel.

Timing is 38 degrees.

Best pass was 11.03 at 121mph with 1.502 60' shifting at 6,300 and stalling to 2,250 but it will stall over 3,000 but my wife is used to staging it at 2,250 from last year and since we were bracket racing, I left her alone. Will get her to move it to 2,500 next time out.

It's picking up the front tires between 3 - 4 inches.

I'll post a video in just a minute, but it's big, 25MB.

Anyone got any suggestions on how to get a little more out of it?


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68 Cuda 10.64@124 1.45 60's 318->390 eddys
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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682840
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Picture of the trunk area.

5952911-Minnow_trunk.JPG (188 downloads)
Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682841
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Here is a video, it's really really big, I don't have any video editing software...

http://metzinger.oxentenko.com/videos/Minnow_4-2010.MPG

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682842
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The car appears to work well, there isn't a whole lot of front end travel before it picks up the tires, its certainly not the 5 inches worth that Calvert recommends, but if its working well I don't see a problem with how it is.

I'm building a 4" stroke 318 based motor currently myself, so I like to see your results.Mine will be a 396 though, and likely be Indy headed.

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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: Triple Threat] #682843
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Take some timing out in High Gear...
might bump you into the 10.s
that or a cool night....
looks like a killer set up..
nice car
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365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured
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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: Triple Threat] #682844
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I've got 5" of travel in the shop, measuring like the tell you to but in the video, I've got it stalled just under 3,000 so I'm taking some of that up with the stall. If you watch the video in slow-mo it looks like a good 4" of travel to me.

It also looks like it rolls 6 to 9 inches before it picks up the tires.

With your Indy head, more compression and better cam you'll be making much more power than I am. Several people including Ryan told me it wasn't a cam they would have selected for the combo but I picked it up cheap and had it on the shelf so I used it.

I'm limited by the 1 5/8 TTI step headers, no port work, and 11:1 compression and a 8" converter would make it leave harder but then I might start having traction problems.

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682845
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Wade... whats the bore on that and did you sonic check
it.... what was the final wall thickness.... nice
runnin package

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #682846
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It's a .030 over 318 so I think it was 3.94 bore but I might be mistaken. I was a little concerned about shrouding the valves with the small bore but it seems to be doing ok.

It was a 1968 block so I assumed it was a good thicker walled block so I didn't sonic check it.

It did have some pitting in one cylinder so we put a sleeve in it. This is the 2nd year with it, I didn't open it up over the winter, just bolt ons...

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682847
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Just picked up the heads from being ported, at 550 lift (which is what my can lift is) he pick them up from 230 to 265 cfm, so I'm looking to run some 10.70s this year if I can keep those small slicks hooked up.


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Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682848
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Eerily close to my 414 combo in cam and now RyanJ ported E-heads, I'm running a ported Victor and an 830 to start with 4.56's at around 2900 pounds.



Maybe I should put the 341 back in!!

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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682849
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Streetwize, what did your ported Eddies flow at 550?

What have others seen on a set of ported Eddies at 550?

He didn't do a full port job on them just hand ported and flowed them with each modification until he got them to flow consistently and to the flow number he was shooting for 260 - 265 at .550 lift.

He said that out of the box they flowed pretty well until about .450 lift and then after that they went backwards and flowed less rather than more as the lift increased..

He also matched up the intake and did some work on it to help it flow with the heads. He didn't touch the exhaust ports, he said they should be able to keep up with the intakes as they were and I gave him a figure that I wanted him to keep it all under so he did what he could do for that amount.

Cleaned up and ported the intake to match the heads, ported the heads, flowed them several times, did a touch up valve job. (I think I got more than I paid for....)

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: WadeMetzinger] #682850
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SDSS Stage 2 ported Flow #'s vs. stock

Stock Edelbrocks

LIFT-----IN/EX
.100”----72.5/N/A
.200”--131.1/107.0
.300”--182.9/151.8
.400”--216.6/181.2
.450”--227.7/182.9
.500”--235.9/185.6
.550”--238.7/185.6
.600”--242.2/185.6
.650”--243.2/185.6
.700”--243.2/185.6

SDSS ported Flow #'s

LIFT--IN/EX
.100"--72.6/NA
.200"--146.9/110.8
.300"--196.3/150.1
.400"--245.8/180.2
.450"--259.0/193.8
.500"--268.6/203.4
.550"--271.8/212.9
.600"--276.6/218.6
.650"--283.5/221.6
.700"--286.6/223.8

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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: Streetwize] #682851
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That's what I figured, there is still a lot left in them with additional porting. (thanks for providing this info)

I think the motor will be much more efficient just from the "cleaning" up work and making them flow the same and consistently from cylinder to cylinder.

Can't wait to get to the track and find out!

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That's what I figured, there is still a lot left in them with additional porting. (thanks for providing this info)

I think the motor will be much more efficient just from the "cleaning" up work and making them flow the same and consistently from cylinder to cylinder.

Can't wait to get to the track and find out!




I think adding 35 more CFM will pick it up also! Love this car/combo...it's working pretty well I must say.

We have a pic above of the trunk...we need one of the engine room and interior please!

Keep us posted!!

Re: Wade...that 318/390 stroker of yours... [Re: cudadoug] #682853
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I'll work on those pics, the interior is full stock maroon interior, new seat covers 2 years ago and new maroon carpet last year. 6pt cage installed and painted interior color last year.

Still has the stock console and stock console shifter (ground down the detents so it works like a Quarter stick (pull back from 1 to 2, push the button to get from 2 to 3)) still uses stock neutral safety switch in the tranny through the stock starter relay.

I installed a ARC Pro Stock switch panel in the radio hole in the dash, only put it there because one of the previous owners busted the dash around the radio hole so it was already messed up.

We use the key to start it but I also have the wire ran from the ARC switch panel to the stock starter relay so if the key give me trouble I can switch the wires, had to do that last year when the neutral safety switch went out.

Here is an updated launch picture with the Goodyears all the way around.

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Still has the stock console and stock console shifter (ground down the detents so it works like a Quarter stick (pull back from 1 to 2, push the button to get from 2 to 3)

THAT is cool!!

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What rear tires and are they in exact stock position?

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