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The wording I see most in better than half the post's is either,"worth more" or "value".I guess that means it's all about the money. Like I said earlier,the car in my avitar never had a BS,guess that makes it a worthless P.O.S.

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Make no mistake Bill, this thread subject IS ABSOLUTELY ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. As I have stated throughout this thread the BCS should have very little value, but SOME in the hobby have chosen to THINK it adds more than i personally think it is worth.

What do you care anyway, your going to be buryied in that car.

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I don't think an original BS, or absence of, adds or subtracts to the value of an authentic car...but it certainly does boost its desireability...

How about this: 2 identical cars...survivors lets say...priced the same...one with, one without...both legit cars...Which one would you buy?

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How about this: 2 identical cars...survivors lets say...priced the same...one with, one without...both legit cars...Which one would you buy?

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The one I liked the best!


Besides everyone talking about "worth" and "value" the constant theme in this thread seems to be based on personal views and desires. I have classic cars that I have never driven. I get ridiculed and made fun of about it all the time! I constantly hear the proverbial, "They were meant to be driven! Use them for what they were built for!" As it relates to this Build Sheet subject matter, everyone should ask themselves one question. Why do so many assume that their interpretation of "Automobile 101", should be THE VIEW for everyone to follow? For illustration, lets use this point of view which is CONSTANTLY being preached on this forum: "These cars should be driven and used for what they were built and intended for."

Do the ones who preach that notion LITERALLY mean it?!? The immediate question that comes to my mind is....based on whose "use"? The guy that bought it for "work" transportation but also to have a little "fast fun" every now and then? Or the guy who bought it exclusively to drive to work but also used it as his Family vehicle? Or the person who bought it as a second car to use sparingly and only on the weekends? Or the woman (that is right...they liked them too) who used it to go shopping or take afternoon drives? Some people actually DID buy these cars just to sit in their garage and look Cool! I could go on an on but you get the point!

My question is for those who consistently preach that "you have to drive them" or "you can't do this or that with them"! Do you guys use your cars as your main mode of transportation to get back and forth to work? Do you take them out even when it rains or snows? Do you use them to go shopping or a drive across the country for your Vacation? I would bet NOT! The point is that there are 100 different reasons for the way people used their cars back in the day. Almost none of us look at these cars in the same light as did the original owners! It is completely closed minded and selfish for ANYONE to tell another person what they "should" or "shouldn't" feel based exclusively on THEIR personal beliefs. Not to stir up a can of worms but I wonder how many car owners from 1970 would tell the "Racing" guys today, "I can't believe you would butcher up a perfectly good car just to go racing! When I bought a "Hot Rod" we used them for going to the Drive In, tooling around town, going to the Burger joint with your buddies or parking with your Girlfriend at Lover's Lane." Isn't THAT what they were originally used for?!?

I didn't want to drastically change thoughts here but I wanted to point out that no one person has all the right answers for the material that has been "polled" thus far. "Diversity" is just as real of an issue as the issues are themselves!

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How about this: 2 identical cars...survivors lets say...priced the same...one with, one without...both legit cars...Which one would you buy?

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Build sheet is the ONLY proof of these valuable options:

- four-speed
- fresh air package
- color

These three items can make anywhere between $10k-$30k price diff than those cars w/o those options (compared to automatic-equipped cars for ex.).

other options can add between $5k-15k, like:

- PW
- spoilers
- stripes
- axle packages
- window louvres
- AC (debatable about its worth)
- fog lights/light packages

I just don't see the point of making an exact copy of the original if you have an original.

Put the original in the safety dep. box and make a photocopy for car shows.

Hobby is too fraught w/fraud and deceit.

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Actually it seem's to be more of a business anymore than it is a hobby.

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Actually it seem's to be more of a business anymore than it is a hobby.

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Bill, I don't know how many times I've said; "Want to ruin your hobby, make a living out of it". (Don't ask me how I know ).


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Actually it seem's to be more of a business anymore than it is a hobby.

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Bill, I don't know how many times I've said; "Want to ruin your hobby, make a living out of it". (Don't ask me how I know ).


MikeR

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Build sheet is the ONLY proof of these valuable options:

- four-speed
- fresh air package
- color

These three items can make anywhere between $10k-$30k price diff than those cars w/o those options (compared to automatic-equipped cars for ex.).

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Actually, aren't these on the fender tag? The tag on my '69 Charger tells me what transmision, the color of the car, what color stripe, A/C, etc.


Here is a different perspective...let's say Chrysler had kept excellent records. With just a phone call to Chrysler and your VIN they could provide you with an exact duplicate of your build sheet. Wouldn't you want a nice, new, crisp one even if you had the crumbly old original? I would. From what it sounds like, that is the service Dave wants to provide, the only problem is there are no such records. Dave's solution to maintain the "credibilty" of duplicate sheets was to limit new copies to only those who have originals. (Unfortunately, most of us don't. )

I don't think that duplicates made under these guidelines would be a bad thing. I think the problem arises when someone else starts to make duplicates, and they don't have the same integrity as Dave and ECS. Now we can't tell legitamate "dupicates" from just plain bogus sheets. Unless ECS would have a number to call to verify whether a suspect sheet is an authorized copy or not, 99% of us wouldn't be able to tell if it's legit or bogus. The smart shopper would have to assume it's a bogus sheet, and so what benefit to the seller would that be? Whether Dave decides to make them or not, I sure others will. I'm sure they have been for years. Personally, if I wanted a duplicate, I'd rather have mine done by a reputible company like ECS seems to be...

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Build sheet is the ONLY proof of these valuable options:

- four-speed
- fresh air package
- color

These three items can make anywhere between $10k-$30k price diff than those cars w/o those options (compared to automatic-equipped cars for ex.).

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Actually, aren't these on the fender tag? The tag on my '69 Charger tells me what transmision, the color of the car, what color stripe, A/C, etc.


Here is a different perspective...let's say Chrysler had kept excellent records. With just a phone call to Chrysler and your VIN they could provide you with an exact duplicate of your build sheet. Wouldn't you want a nice, new, crisp one even if you had the crumbly old original? I would. From what it sounds like, that is the service Dave wants to provide, the only problem is there are no such records. Dave's solution to maintain the "credibilty" of duplicate sheets was to limit new copies to only those who have originals. (Unfortunately, most of us don't. )

I don't think that duplicates made under these guidelines would be a bad thing. I think the problem arises when someone else starts to make duplicates, and they don't have the same integrity as Dave and ECS. Now we can't tell legitamate "dupicates" from just plain bogus sheets. Unless ECS would have a number to call to verify whether a suspect sheet is an authorized copy or not, 99% of us wouldn't be able to tell if it's legit or bogus. The smart shopper would have to assume it's a bogus sheet, and so what benefit to the seller would that be? Whether Dave decides to make them or not, I sure others will. I'm sure they have been for years. Personally, if I wanted a duplicate, I'd rather have mine done by a reputible company like ECS seems to be...

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Build sheet is the ONLY proof of these valuable options:

- four-speed
- fresh air package
- color

These three items can make anywhere between $10k-$30k price diff than those cars w/o those options (compared to automatic-equipped cars for ex.).

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Actually, aren't these on the fender tag? The tag on my '69 Charger tells me what transmision, the color of the car, what color stripe, A/C, etc.


Here is a different perspective...let's say Chrysler had kept excellent records. With just a phone call to Chrysler and your VIN they could provide you with an exact duplicate of your build sheet. Wouldn't you want a nice, new, crisp one even if you had the crumbly old original? I would. From what it sounds like, that is the service Dave wants to provide, the only problem is there are no such records. Dave's solution to maintain the "credibilty" of duplicate sheets was to limit new copies to only those who have originals. (Unfortunately, most of us don't. )

I don't think that duplicates made under these guidelines would be a bad thing. I think the problem arises when someone else starts to make duplicates, and they don't have the same integrity as Dave and ECS. Now we can't tell legitamate "dupicates" from just plain bogus sheets. Unless ECS would have a number to call to verify whether a suspect sheet is an authorized copy or not, 99% of us wouldn't be able to tell if it's legit or bogus. The smart shopper would have to assume it's a bogus sheet, and so what benefit to the seller would that be? Whether Dave decides to make them or not, I sure others will. I'm sure they have been for years. Personally, if I wanted a duplicate, I'd rather have mine done by a reputible company like ECS seems to be...

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Tags are in no way valuable in authenticating options.

Those are repopped so easily and guys doing them will put anything you want on them.

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