Re: Timing sprocket marks
[Re: RobX4406]
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06/04/08 03:43 PM
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I've never understood why guys won't take the extra 10 minutes and the effort needed to degree in the cam!
I'm not going to let "Bubba" mis-stamping my set ruin MY engine!
My .528 MP cam and Cloyes true roller was 8* retarded despite being installed in the "straight up" postion. Good thing I checked, huh?
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/04/08 05:14 PM
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i did read the instrutions. they made no sense. it said use the dot for straght up and use the +4 if you want to advance it and so on. but i couldn't see the speck or the +4 as in the pic. again i would have dailed it in except that had already been done. i just redid the bottom end. it should have the big mark that is most important by the tooth and the speck by the keyway as this cloyes set. notice they even shaped the keyway like the mark so u would know which keyway to use.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/04/08 05:48 PM
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again i would have dailed it in except that had already been done. i just redid the bottom end. it should have the big mark that is most important by the tooth and the speck by the keyway as this cloyes set.
again, how could it be dialed in if you're changing the timing chain?!
Having "that mark here" and "this mark there" really doesn't mean anything in the broad scheme of things. It's up to you to check out their accuracy. Usually the dot means straight up, triagle means 4* advanced and square means 4 degrees retarded.
I'll be honest, I don't own a cam degree kit but a friend does and we use it on EVERY cam I install anymore. Stock or not, marked or unmarked, sugar coated or whole wheat!
Mancini doesn't owe you a dime.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/05/08 09:11 AM
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was the keyway wollered out? but even with that it shouldn't change that much. offset keys would move it more than that could. did u compare your marks to my right and wrong pics. i think at this point i would try the degree wheel. we know what happens if it is too far off.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/05/08 09:19 AM
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was the keyway wollered out? but even with that it shouldn't change that much. offset keys would move it more than that could. did u compare your marks to my right and wrong pics. i think at this point i would try the degree wheel. we know what happens if it is too far off.
I do know he had a .156 wide key in it, and I fit a .188 key in there. It seems like the wider key was a very good fit. So either it was widened out, or he used the wrong one in the first place, which would explain why the pump eccentric rounded it off etc. So yes, I guess it could be off .030 from what it was.
I think I will try the degree wheel in the crank pulley as it fits perfect. Maybe hold it with some magnets etc and see where the cam CL come in at. At least I can discard it as a problem or verify I have to tear something back down.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
[Re: 79powerwagon]
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06/05/08 09:40 AM
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Hey Doug, where in WI are you? I'm around Menomonee Falls. Maybe I can lend a hand?
Eric
Eric,
I'm up by Hudson (Near twin cities) I think you are by Milwaukee is that correct?
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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i think thats a good ideal. to me it doesn't explane how your timing got off so much. but on the other hand they are related. one tooth on the crank gear being 17 degrees. when they cut those +-4 keyways they are just a fraction of a tooth different. i am not smart enough to work backwards to figure out the .000 to degrees and see if .030 would put you off that much.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/05/08 09:54 AM
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i think thats a good ideal. to me it doesn't explane how your timing got off so much. but on the other hand they are related. one tooth on the crank gear being 17 degrees. when they cut those +-4 keyways they are just a fraction of a tooth different. i am not smart enough to work backwards to figure out the .000 to degrees and see if .030 would put you off that much.
I'm thinking if I have to tear this down again, I might change this big monster loper to something more streetable too.
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Re: Timing sprocket marks
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06/05/08 09:55 AM
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Yup Doug. Too far to lend a casual hand! Oh well, there are other members nearer to you, maybe they can chime in and give assistance! Sometimes it only takes a second set of eyes to see the obvious that you may have over-looked. I had a friend gawking at my 440 when I first installed it, and he noticed I had the plug wires on wrong, even after going through them 3 times myself!
Hey, it happens!
Eric, you may have seen this car in the past. The guy I bought it from lived in Union Grove and used to run it at the strip there... little more street friendly now though.
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