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Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? #667751 04/11/10 10:56 PM 04/11/10 10:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 310 PA J joesnow OP enthusiast
joesnow OP enthusiast J Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 310 PA	Can a car with a 904 or 727 be flat towed with all 4 wheels on the road? Looking for something behind an RV.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: joesnow] #667752 04/11/10 11:09 PM 04/11/10 11:09 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Noot without takin g the drive shaft down. Unless very slowly and very short distance. There is no oil flow in the transmission so Damage will be done. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: joesnow] #667753 04/11/10 11:09 PM 04/11/10 11:09 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	There's no tranny fluid being pumped to lube the trans when the torque converter is not being rotated by the eng & the d shaft will engage the trans w no lube. Drop the driveshaft & you'll be fine live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: joesnow] #667754 04/11/10 11:31 PM 04/11/10 11:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation dOc … The village idiot's idiot
dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation	You can get a pump that will push ATF through the trans ... but that can be costly. I have an RV ...and when I tow a TOAD .. it is my stick-shift minivan.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: dOc …] #667755 04/12/10 03:01 AM 04/12/10 03:01 AM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	How is it that I have been so lucky? I have towed with a dolly SEVERAL Mopars with the rear tires on the ground and never had a trans problem. I know that it has been stated that it can be a problem, but I have yet to see it.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Kern Dog] #667756 04/12/10 04:01 AM 04/12/10 04:01 AM
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dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation	Quote: How is it that I have been so lucky? I have towed with a dolly SEVERAL Mopars with the rear tires on the ground and never had a trans problem. I know that it has been stated that it can be a problem, but I have yet to see it. What type of distance ?

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: dOc …] #667757 04/12/10 04:07 AM 04/12/10 04:07 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I have dollied as much as 50 miles at freeway speeds. Some vehicles that I used in a home movie were stunt cars that I towed 20 miles several times.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Kern Dog] #667758 04/12/10 04:10 AM 04/12/10 04:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation dOc … The village idiot's idiot
dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation	You have been very VERY lucky.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: dOc …] #667759 04/12/10 07:25 AM 04/12/10 07:25 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana D Dave Watt master
Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	Yes, you've been very lucky to not burn up transmissions. A 904/727 uses the torque converter to drive the transmission oil pump. So if the engine is not running to spin the torque converter, then the pump is not pushing fluid through the trans.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Dave Watt] #667760 04/12/10 09:07 PM 04/12/10 09:07 PM
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joesnow OP enthusiast J Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 310 PA	OK Thanks. I saw that a Dakota says it can be. What trans are they using? Maybe I could swap one in my old mopar.?

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Kern Dog] #667761 04/12/10 09:13 PM 04/12/10 09:13 PM
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QuickBpBp master Q Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,343 SE PA.	Quote: How is it that I have been so lucky? I have towed with a dolly SEVERAL Mopars with the rear tires on the ground and never had a trans problem. I know that it has been stated that it can be a problem, but I have yet to see it. Never had any problems with a guy I hung around with...We flat towed his car down to Atco and when we crossed the bridge into Jersey we fired the car up and let it oil and then finished the drive...When we got there he unhooked it and ripped off a few high 10 second passes then towed it back home...Hundreds of miles like this with NO failures. 45-50 miles at a time...

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: QuickBpBp] #667762 04/12/10 11:13 PM 04/12/10 11:13 PM
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dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation	U R lucky toooooo .... All I can say is LOOK in a FACTORY service manual ... it says something like IF you have to tow past a mile or two .. you should pull the D-shaft.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: joesnow] #667763 04/13/10 01:44 AM 04/13/10 01:44 AM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: OK Thanks. I saw that a Dakota says it can be. What trans are they using? Maybe I could swap one in my old mopar.? Yeah you can the Dakota but you had bater read the manual about putting the transfer case in Neutral first so that the transmission isn't being turned. Not for 2 wheel drives.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667764 04/13/10 02:18 AM 04/13/10 02:18 AM
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DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	The early 60's and prior torqueflites came with a front AND a rear pump, so those you could tow on all 4's no problem. You could also push-start them. Either the engineers decided not many people were towing/push starting or the bean counters decided it because in the early 60's they dropped the rear pump and carried that design through. I see some guys towing fwd's on tow dollies, seems to be the easiest way around this if you must run a vehicle with an automatic trans. I'd say your only safe options are a stick shift on a tow bar, fwd auto on a dolly or rwd auto on a trailer.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: dOc …] #667765 04/13/10 03:01 AM 04/13/10 03:01 AM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Okay, so many here say that I have been lucky, but WHO has actually experienced a failure? What happens? Lets say a man tows the car and pulls it off of the dolly. He jumps in, starts the motor...and then what? Slow to engage? No reverse? No forward gears or just slippage? Is the flat tow supposed to cause immediate destruction like a 8500 RPM neutral drop into drive or more like adding 40,000 miles of wear in 20 miles?

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Kern Dog] #667766 04/13/10 03:36 AM 04/13/10 03:36 AM
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79powerwagon Too Many Posts 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,728 places	It's simple. The factory says NO. Flat towing is stupid except for emergencies or with a properly prepared toad/RV. See? simple!

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Kern Dog] #667767 04/13/10 06:31 AM 04/13/10 06:31 AM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	I have see internals seize do to lack of lubrication. the bushings are especially vulnerable seizing to the shafts. Also seen facing off of the discs. You can run your engine for a while on oil splash if the oil pump goes out too. (for a while) Go ahead and tow it is your transmission and your money. You don't need to listen to anybody. You may be lucky like in playing Russian Roulette.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667768 04/13/10 07:26 AM 04/13/10 07:26 AM
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plumcuda mopar P Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 500 U.P. ,MI.	When I flat towed my Duster(over 100 miles) more than once,I just started the engine and let it idle the whole time.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: plumcuda] #667769 04/13/10 08:36 AM 04/13/10 08:36 AM
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dOc … The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,488 Florida STAYcation	Quote: When I flat towed my Duster(over 100 miles) more than once,I just started the engine and let it idle the whole time. THIS is cool ... but why-not just uNhook the D-shaft?

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: dOc …] #667770 04/13/10 08:52 AM 04/13/10 08:52 AM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Quote: When I flat towed my Duster(over 100 miles) more than once,I just started the engine and let it idle the whole time. THIS is cool ... but why-not just uNhook the D-shaft? Yep - 5 minutes to take out 4 tiny bolts, tape the joint and hang the shaft.

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