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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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#651590
09/15/10 04:13 PM
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$300 is pretty good for a running 413. It'll definately make that 318 feel anemic.
Remember that the water pump is a larger diameter than normal B/RBs. That's why rebuild gasket kits come with that weird oversize WP gasket. Those weird shape WP housing to block gaskets fit the industrial motors too.
The spark plugs are different as well.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 07:37 PM
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$300 don't sound too bad, I gave $350 for mine, but was told it was a 440 and I didn't know any better at the time. And I never heard it run because the guy I got it from left the key on and burned up the points. But even with a budget build, it should do much better than that whipped 318 did. Or the orig 400 for that matter. I say go get it and be different.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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09/15/10 08:28 PM
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IMO, you done good, mine also has an 8 bolt crank, It's a 1972 413. as far as any other differences, water pump and housing, heads, trans are a shorty style, don't know about the oil pan. I have heard the oil pans are MH specific, but we'll prolly have to wait 'till the Doctor is in.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 08:41 PM
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IMO, you done good, mine also has an 8 bolt crank, It's a 1972 413. as far as any other differences, water pump and housing, heads, trans are a shorty style, don't know about the oil pan. I have heard the oil pans are MH specific, but we'll prolly have to wait 'till the Doctor is in.
Bryan ... if that is a 8 bolt crank .. that is the first-one I have heard of anyone actually getting one. ALL I have ever seen is 6 bolts .. me-self. The oil-pans ? .. are for that chassis but most anything will work. The underneath is so open and has EZ access.
Mike .... is there anything else good off that MH ? .. like roof air and propane frig? ....maybe even fresh water tanks?
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 08:48 PM
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That's why rebuild gasket kits come with that weird oversize WP gasket. Those weird shape WP housing to block gaskets fit the industrial motors too.
OMG---I was just going through my spare gaskets and thinking what the hell are these for?????? Thanks Feets! Now I know. I cut one up for another purpose thinking I sure ain't gonna use this for anything else! 
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 08:51 PM
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I'll check again tomorrow. I THOUGHT it had an 8 bolt crank but my memory is really not that great. I know it is nothin special. Just a 72 413 out of a 23ft class 3 MH
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 09:13 PM
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Doc,i remember you had asked about that when I got the 440 they have it pretty much gutted right now,I asked about them for ya though..nothing left,sorry they did have a small rv in the back,not sure on it,i will ask about it also for ya I am gonna go back and check what axle it has in it also so does a RB 440 intake swap on to it or was that a no? think it had a 2-v,I was   for got to take a good look at the carb and intake wanna check those mannys,and see if they work for me in a 85 truck,would be the only thing to hold me back i think IIRC no headers on those heads correct? 
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 09:20 PM
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This is bad, since i removed the flexplate today(the guy i bought it from cut one end off with a sawall removing the trans)but i don't remember how many bolts were on yhe crank, it just seemed like a lot. but like i said, i will check tomorrow.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 09:23 PM
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There were rumors flying-around that there WERE some MH/truck 413's with 8-bolt-cranks .. but I have never seen one OR heard of someone actually having-one. And I have quite-a-few of 'em ...me-self !!
BUT ..it could be ... 
I own one. It came outta my old 413 Marine. The 8 holes are NON-threaded; it used bolts & nuts to hold the flywheel on.
Also, the rear flange - what the 'wheel bolts to - is extended an extra 3/4" rearward.
I might have a pic floating around....lemme check.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 10:27 PM
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so does a RB 440 intake swap on to it or was that a no?
think it had a 2-v,I was for got to take a good look at the carb and intake
wanna check those mannys,and see if they work for me in a 85 truck,would be the only thing to hold me back i think
IIRC no headers on those heads correct?
It should have a 2 bbl carb. The typical RB intake won't work on those heads. They use a wet intake with coolant passages.
I dropped one in a 1980 D100. The manifolds were TIGHT due to the straight down center dump and flange. The oil pan, dipstick, and mounts had to be changed.
I never got to fire mine up. I ran out of time and was moving out of state. I stored it at a buddy's place. His father took it to the salvage yard because it had locked up.
I distinctly remember mine being a cross bolted block. It was the first time I had ever laid eyes on that setup. I guess it was a unicorn because everybody tells me they weren't made like that. It came out of a big 1973 MH. That was back in 1993 and I don't recall all the details. However, I do recall looking at main bolts sticking out the side of the block.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 10:59 PM
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I own one. It came outta my old 413 Marine.
v-guy ... ahhh .... marine .. I have zip experience with that - 'CEPT the stuff I am putting together with the Nicson mounts
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/15/10 11:18 PM
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so does a RB 440 intake swap on to it or was that a no?
think it had a 2-v,I was for got to take a good look at the carb and intake
wanna check those mannys,and see if they work for me in a 85 truck,would be the only thing to hold me back i think
IIRC no headers on those heads correct?
It should have a 2 bbl carb. The typical RB intake won't work on those heads. They use a wet intake with coolant passages.
I dropped one in a 1980 D100. The manifolds were TIGHT due to the straight down center dump and flange. The oil pan, dipstick, and mounts had to be changed.
I never got to fire mine up. I ran out of time and was moving out of state. I stored it at a buddy's place. His father took it to the salvage yard because it had locked up.
I distinctly remember mine being a cross bolted block. It was the first time I had ever laid eyes on that setup. I guess it was a unicorn because everybody tells me they weren't made like that. It came out of a big 1973 MH. That was back in 1993 and I don't recall all the details. However, I do recall looking at main bolts sticking out the side of the block.
ON this post ...
ANY RB intake will work on these "goofy" heads - even a tunnelram! YES .. there was a 2bbl intake made for this motor ... but all I have ever seen them on is irrigation pumps !! And YES .. you can get headers for those heads.
feets ... the intake deal. That coolant passage is the SAME as the exh heat crossover. I have personally swapped-out a Streetmaster and SP2P intake on the 413 ... but you have to make sure the exh crossover is clean as a 
It is also advised to make up a tube that runs from the exh (very hot)side of the water pump ...into the intake to properly heat-it. On my Project-413 grunt/tow/mpg motor ... I am going to INSULATE the intake against heat LOSS.
Cross bolted(4 bolt mains) block ? .... I have never seen that 
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/16/10 12:44 PM
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My apologies, I went out there today, and it has a 6 bolt crank. Not an 8 bolt.Not to turn this into a swapmeet, but if anybody wants the 4bbl intake or heads off this 413, PM me. They are free to anybody who wants to pick them up or we can work out shipping if it is worthwile.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s
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09/16/10 12:52 PM
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Bryan ...uNless someone is closer and/or can pick-them-up quicker ... I would like to have those parts that you don't need. I might be rolling-through the area on my way to TX, then to LA ...then to FL. Shipping this stuff would be a killer as far as costs ...  BTW ....what are you going to do with the water-pump and exh mans? ... the intake is just scrap-metal.
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