A12 Identification
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I have found what is 99% chance an A12 Bee derelict with no fenders, grill, or drive train. Not sure if the body tag is present. The car is tucked away in a small town and friends of mine remember it new as an A12 from the 70's.
The property owner where it sits says he thinks the non-resident owner will sell it now, so I'm going to pursue it. What are 4 or 5 quick things to look at to tell positively it is an A12 car?
I appreciate the help !
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Re: A12 Identification
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A few: 5th digit an "M" DANA rear 2 extra 1/2 leaves on right side spacers (about 1/8 inch thick) under lower control arm bumpers unique engine harness with the idle solenoid wire going to passenger side
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Re: A12 Identification
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All A12's have an oval filler hole
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Re: A12 Identification
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Make sure the 5th digit in the VIN# is an "M" which is the 440+6 engine. Write down the entire VIN# for my A12 database. I agree with everyone above except for the leaf springs. I have Broadcast sheet documentation on many of the early build A12 cars where they were delivered with the standard Rallye suspension, 5 leafs per side. 99% of them have the Hemi suspension with 7 leafs on the passenger side though.
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Re: A12 Identification
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There is no drive train including the axle, so the leaf sprigs would be in question anyhow. Hood hinges can be removed, pins can be added, etc. All good stuff, but things like the solenoid wire .... Great stuff!
It's been awhile since I have been into B-bodies of this era. Is the oval gas filler hole a gag or is this really true? Why would they do that only on A12 cars?
Any more obscure items to look for?
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Re: A12 Identification
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Is the oval gas filler hole a gag or is this really true? Why would they do that only on A12 cars?
they did it on all cars built after jan of 69 a12 cars were built after jan of 69
alot of the things that are listed here are most likely long gone on a gutted out a12 car.
what you should look for is the obvious m in the vin number on the dash vin tag does it have a fender tag ??? if yes, does it match the vin tag on the dash?? after looking for or at the fender tag, then look at the the front rad support and see if the last 6 digits of the vin with a 9a before it is stamped in to it. then you should go to the driver side trunk gutter and under the trunk lid seal should be those same numbers stamped in it as on the rad support. if those numbers match up you have a a12 car
good luck
ps bring back pics and numbers please
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Re: A12 Identification
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then look at the the front rad support and see if the last 6 digits of the vin with a 9a before it is stamped in to it. then you should go to the driver side trunk gutter and under the trunk lid seal should be those same numbers stamped in it as on the rad support. if those numbers match up you have a a12 car
Not to split hairs but to give accurate information, the numbers on the radiator support and trunk lip will actually be stamped A9 XXXXXX.
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Re: A12 Identification
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A few: 5th digit an "M" DANA rear 2 extra 1/2 leaves on right side spacers (about 1/8 inch thick) under lower control arm bumpers unique engine harness with the idle solenoid wire going to passenger side
I think your suggestion about the 1/8" spacers under the rubber bumpers on the lower control arms is the best suggestion yet for a car that may be missing eveery other form of identification. It's unlikely anybody would have removed the bumpers and spacer plates! It should have holes in the front for the original hood pins even if someone added a hood with hinges at a later date. If there are hinges, you could remove them to check out the paint behind them to see how it's painted in that area?
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Re: A12 Identification
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Ok. I have my list. Should be enough clues if the fender tag happens to be missing. Thanks guys.
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Re: A12 Identification
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Re: A12 Identification
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A good way to tell is the owner will have bad attitude and tell you "Do you know what this is?" Hope this helps!
Seriously though, good luck. I hope everything works out for you. Hopefully we'll see some pictures soon....
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