Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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07/19/11 06:31 AM
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How much of the original car was left to restore?
Is it acceptable to "restore" a historic car with different mechanicals, panels etc?
the problem is that there are no accepted rules or any line to be cross on a car being a restoration or recreation. I know of more than one "restored" cars that have a little as one original sheet metal part left when done.
So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
Years ago there were major problems with the likes of D-Type Jags, one guy gets a crashed body, repairs what he can, replaces what he can't repair then he gets a similar engine from a sedan but changes the carbs etc to look like the race version while another guy on the other side of town has a genuine set of mechanicals so he thinks he is within his rights to build a body around it so he has a genuine car as well. There were more "genuine original" cars at some shows than the total number made by the factory.
The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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#637944
07/19/11 11:58 AM
07/19/11 11:58 AM
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The Aussies have the same thing with Phase 3 GTHO Falcons, there are probably close to 4 times more about now than were originally made by Ford
I always thought that was the case here too in the states with '69 SS Camaros
Always seemed to be way more around than produced.
That would be 69 Z28's and 67 L88 vettes ...
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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07/19/11 04:54 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
I see no conflict there one "IS" the car the other is not. The motor has no bearing
I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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07/19/11 05:35 PM
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So there could be more than 1 car made from the original, that would cause a fight
That's the case with the Silver Bullet here in Detroit. One car is the original body, another car (built almost identically) has the original engine...
I see no conflict there one "IS" the car the other is not. The motor has no bearing
Don't tell that to the owner of the one that is NOT
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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07/19/11 06:35 PM
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From what I have heard from Dick, Joe etc...the missile changed parts even between races so it will be difficult to really get it to "original" what they hope to do is get it as close as possible and with Dick helping out and all the data he has in his possession about the car I think it will be close.. here is a link to where the car is being restored.. http://www.paulcompanies.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3676497-motown-missile?page=lastWhen Dick saw the car after it was cleaned up he was impressed that the condition of it wasn't as bad as they thought originally. Also the inside is pretty much not changed. The steering wheel is the original one that Don Carlton touched... it was kinda neat to touch it knowing that... I wanted to be a race car driver...was a chauffeur in Europe for many years and my nickname was "Cha Cha".. I have pics of it in my other computer and have given them to the ex for historical purposes.. i really want to see it restored too Looks like ti night be in Amelia Island for a show...
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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#637952
07/20/11 12:05 AM
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Has anyone got any good engine bay photos they can post or PM to me? I would love to see some as I'm building a early '70s dual plug Hemi Pro Stock style '70 Barracuda, Cheers
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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#637955
07/20/11 12:50 AM
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I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
Do yourself a favor and let it go for you own sanity...you'll go nuts thinking this hard about it. The topic of re-bodied cars has surfaced time to time for years on the general Moparts board particularly when Barrett Jackson is up and running. It's been debated till there's no tomorrow and there's little twists state to state that could be interpreted differently. After the acid dipping and unoticable modifications to the untrained eye , these cars were kind of "re-bodied" anyway by the time they hit the track So kick back and enjoy the ride!
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Re: 72 Missile Cuda
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07/20/11 01:33 AM
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I'm not doubting the car we are talking about is the real Motown car at all & like everyone else here I would like to see it back in it's original as raced condition some day soon but I was trying to get your opinions on how much of a car you need to do a full restoration. I don't really get the whole "re-body" thing, once you have re-bodied a car I think it is not the same car anymore. I hear of so many cars (especially convertables) that get "restored" buy replacing most of the panels, glass fittings etc from a one owner low mile 6 or 318 car, so is the convertable still "factory original after that?
Some of these old race cars have a hard life & were left in quite a state before they were saved from the crusher (thankfully!) & now there are some show examples that look way better than they ever did, with some even looking tidier than the Sox & Martin cars did in their day & man they were (and still are) some of the neatest looking cars ever to race.
Do yourself a favor and let it go for you own sanity...you'll go nuts thinking this hard about it. The topic of re-bodied cars has surfaced time to time for years on the general Moparts board particularly when Barrett Jackson is up and running. It's been debated till there's no tomorrow and there's little twists state to state that could be interpreted differently. After the acid dipping and unoticable modifications to the untrained eye , these cars were kind of "re-bodied" anyway by the time they hit the track So kick back and enjoy the ride!
Hey Bill here's even more of a mind twister.. It's been written that a lot of top teams re-bodied their favorite chassis from year to year to keep the newest model on the track, lets say you were digging around Burlington or Lenior NC and happened upon a S&M or Missile body in a barn. You take it home slap it on a Cuda race car a drop in a Hemi. What does that make it ??? Clone?? Keep in mind it an original as raced body. recreation???
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