Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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Things I learned: never use any gaskets logs make power, but wont last never use any gaskets use thick flanges, machine them straight when done never use any gaskets use heavy wall stainless never use any gaskets add as many fastening points as possible never use any gaskets use a backing gas when welding tubes never use any gaskets Decide if you want to do it once and spend big cash, or repair leaks and cracks every two weeks. never use any gaskets
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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I made those out of 321 stainless. If you end up using manifolds, open up the hole diameter on the end ports for the bolts(front and rear). Also use much longer bolts or studs. Add at least an inch longer fasteners, and make spacers to make up the differance in length. This allows for some stretch in the bolt,and prevents breakage. Manifolds or logs have to float on the head surface. The shape of them wont allow for thermal expansion without movement. This is another reason not to use gaskets... You'll just scrub the gaskets away, and warp the manifold/log.I also strongly suggest using grade 5 bolts or lower, and never use stainless bolts with stainless nuts. Tighten the center bolts as you normally would, and just snug up the bolts on the outer ports.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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Ours are mild steel,made out of a regular Hedman header kit. Except the flanges, they are self made out of 1/2" flat and common flange, milled flat after welding. No Gaskets, just RTV, no problems whatsoever. My plan was to keep the primaries smallish and short and since the turbos have devided flange it required some routing to keep the pulses as far of each other as possible. After ready they were ceramic coated, and they are supported to teh frame from the flanges. Don't have very good pics, but here is a couple:
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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These OEM manifolds fit upside down in the car and allow spark plugs
The 62-65 B body logs that exit out the complete rear also can fit depending on what car and if you have manual steering. They don't fit in my Fury but they do fit in my 69 Coronet.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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In a cbody with ps and a/c there's still issues however....
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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Furious, are those truck manifolds? I'd sure hate to hang a turbo off one of them and hope the two bolt flange holds it together.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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My best guess is they came on 1 side of van chassis RV's. Not sure how/if they will work yet and how the turbos will mount. There is technically just enough room for them to sit up there, but even with milling the flange down and making an adapter, it's probably going to bump or cook the hood.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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I thought the general agreement on those is that they curl in too much when upside down and put the turbo into the valve cover? I suppose it depends on how big of a unit, if it has an internal WG, etc.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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logs make power, but wont last
what happened to them ? your experience with their lifespan was how short ? what material was used ? since all we are using is logs maybe I can benefit from that info.
I threw them in the garbage after ruining the second turbo(I'll explain in a minuite, my fault).My experience with lifespan can be divided in two... How long I had them and used them, and how long I could use them without repairing them. On the first, I would say around 8-10 years. On the second, as they aged, failure went up exponentially. It got to the point that after a few hard runs they would crack. I have to admit that I use retarded timing/high fueling for launch/boost control, which takes its toll. I got so tired of fixing cracks that I stopped taking them off to fix them. This procedure is what lead to turbo failure. Weld slag hitting your turbine wheel isn't healthy for your turbo. Guys, I strongly suggest using a purging gas on the inside of the tubes to stop any slag/sugaring from happening. My logs started out with 3/4" steel plates for flanges, and steel scd 40 weld els from a place in town called R&B Wagner. Over time the tubing started shrinking, but the flanges didn't. This caused broken studs, warped flanges, blown gaskets, cracked cylinder heads... I would machine the flanges flat, and they would just bow again(easier and easier every time, getting thinner). I've had this discussion before, and I'm convinced that with some slip fit expansion joints placed in the right areas, they would have been much less troublesome. I spent big money on building my stainless headers, and gained no performance, but I never had to touch the exhaust for repairs after going that route, and would gladly spend the money again to do it on the next car. This is the only picture I could find of my old logs. It's a copy of a copy, so its pretty rough.
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Re: Turbo Big Block Header Pics
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It's always been my findings that headers, whether tubular or log style, generally only break due to poor fabrication or welding process. If you use stainless steel weld-els (schedule 10 is PLENTY) such as the ones posted from grainger, or www.acestainless.com, you can cobble something together without having it break quite easily. And a tubular header will for certain have more power potential than a log manifold on a turbo engine in the end, regardless of cylinder count.
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