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Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #621741
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I remember looking at a B&M pamphlet in the late 80s. They listed for the SBC their blower kit to mount directly on a carburetor intake manifold. The exact words they used were that on a street driven car the lesser power (Compared to a dedicated blower intake manifold) would not be noticed.



I'd guess they did that by using these adapters below. The only real difference in power could come from the bottle neck restriction caused by the carburetor flange pad that I could see.











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I thought those blowers that mounted directly to the carb pad were typically lower in output, as in topping out in the 400-450hp zone...?



I don't think these little blowers make a whole lot more power then that even on a dedicated supercharger manifold and with the boost turned up.


1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: daniel_depetro] #621742
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just 4 kicks here is a 4bbl B-1 intake with a 14-71.

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Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: blownzoom440] #621743
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Gaudy, tacky, and just plain fugly.
I bet it runs fantastic though!


1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: daniel_depetro] #621744
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Gaudy, tacky, and just plain fugly.
I bet it runs fantastic though!



it ran 6.4's in the 1/4 in a top dragster 1875lbs.and 50+lbs of boost.

Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: blownzoom440] #621745
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You can squeeze a lot of power down an open carb flange, just look at hot much hp some of the centrifugal supercharger guys are making with pushing their boost through a 3 or 4 inch pipe!

Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: blownzoom440] #621746
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If you're spending that kind of money why wouldn't you get a dedicated intake?


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Who says everyone is spending that kind of money?
I can't speak for anyone else so I'll just state why I haven't until recently: because Mopar set-ups are extremely hard to find and very expensive when located.

I got the supercharger posted above on the Dart back in the fall of 1997 (maybe it was 1998?) from a guy I know (Cheech) that bought it new. He had it on a 2wd Chevy Blazer that he lowered and turned into a hot rod. He wasn't that impressed with the supercharger kit and wanted a tunnel ram 2 x 4-bbl. set-up. We made a deal to trade even up, so I called saved up $675.00 called Summit Racing and ordered a brand new small block Chevy tunnel ram 2 x 4-bbl. kit and got the small block Chevy blower set-up. At the time we had a 1970 Charger 4-speed that we had transplanted a 354 HEMI into.








We strapped the supercharger onto it's stock 4-bbl. iron intake manifold via an angled plate and cut the serpentine ring off a pulley we got from a junk engine somewhere and welded it to the outside of the HEMIs stock crank pulley/balancer. Topped it off with the same Holley 750 cfm double pumper we already had on the car just had to lengthen the fuel hose and get the throttle cable correct. Wow, what a difference! We ran it for a week like that testing it out and then ended up pulling the drivetrain out of the car and selling the body of the Charger.
The supercharger went into hibernation and we began picking up superchargers and complete SBC set-ups for next to nothing when the deals were out there amassing quite the collection.
In early 2004 (maybe 2003?) we purchased a 1963 Ford F-100 hot rod truck for $1,000.00 that was a driver and someone had stuffed a Camaro coil spring disk brake front sub-frame under along with a high nickel content 350 engine.












After getting a few things corrected with the truck we decided to bring the supercharger set-up out of retirement and put it to good use. Being a GM powerplant kind of made it a no brainer as we had the entire set-up (correct supercharger intake manifold, correct lower pulley, correct sized belt for the application, ...). We ran the truck hard for a couple years and I drag raced it fairly often for a street vehicle. In the fall of 2005 after hot lapping it for 8 runs it finally spun a bearing. We pulled the drivetrain out, removed the supercharger set-up and put it up stairs in dads shop, and scrapped the rest of the GM stuff. Don't worry when work resumed on the hot rod truck the first thing done was a new 1989 roller cam 360 and T/F-727 between the front frame rails.
Anyways on December 26th 2005 dads shop burned down to the ground.








This small block Chevy B&M supercharger was one of the very few things inside the 60' x 80' that was able to be recovered in core condition. In mid 2006 we sent the supercharger in and had it completely rebuilt with new strips in the rotors. I don't recall the cost but it was only $200-300.00. It has sat in the closet until the fall of 2008 when we put together a 1972 Dodge Dart with a 360 and a T/F-727 on the super cheap. We purchased a $75.00 Holley Street Master 4-bbl. aluminum single plane intake manifold that was nice and low profile and had the carburetor pad milled flat which only cost a few bucks. Then we bought a 5/8" thick aluminum plate for $45.00 and turned it into a 4-bbl. to supercharger adapter plate. Basically it bolts the the four carburetor bolts in the intake manifold and the supercharger just bolts to the plate. Three is a gasket between the plate and intake and one between supercharger and plate, obviously. The 750 cfm double pumper carburetor we were using was destroyed in the fire so I put the only good carburetor I had at the time on the car. It was brand new out of the box Holley Street Avenger 770 cfm with vacuum secondaries that I purchased for another project. There was a few bugs to work out in our original serp. belt system as the original tensioner just wasn't working anymore, probably due to the fire. The tensioner would oscillate enough for the belt to loosen just enough to walk around on the pulleys which would cause the belts to shred themselves when it tightened up under acceleration. I also added an idler for more "belt wrap" around the crank & power steering pulley, however bracket kept bending when the throttle was heavily used. It was also "designed" with enough space to bypass the p/s & idler pulleys with a shorter belt that goes directly from the supercharger pulley down to the crank pulley. This adds little extra "belt wrap" around the supercharger pulley for use at the track under hard repetitive maximum performance runs






It was late and the year so the was removed another small old 4-bbl. carb. was installed to keep the car movable and the car was put away for the winter. We didn't get working on the Dart until late in the summer in 2009 but made good headway once we did. We slapped the supercharger back on the car, used an extra tensioner off a mid 90's pickup we had lying around and got everything working great. No more serp. belt issues. We drove the car for the rest of the fall then swapped the supercharger back to a carb. and put the car away for winte. In the spring of 2010 with everything basically figured out we bolted the supercharger back on and got it running better than ever. A couple months later I picked up a brand new in the box Holley 4779S 750 cfm double pumper from a guy an hour down the road after seeing his listing on eBay. I was able to strike a good deal for $250.00 and he agreed to end the auction. The car runs absolutely awesome now. (see photo of engine compartment at this time in one of my above posts)
It just keeps getting better and better. A couple days ago I purchased a billet 750 cfm baseplate from Quick Fuel Technology ($210.00 shipped) so the power valve will start to work correctly and there will be no worries of a lean condition in the upper RPMs, especially since I plan on upping the boost and actually getting it to a point where it can be tuned for more performance right away next spring. 2011 will be an interesting year now that I actually got a few of these performance Mopars licensed for use.













A great car considering I only have ~$5k total from start to finish into it. that includes everything from the new tires/new front disk & rear drum brakes, all tune-up parts, the supercharger set-up, new Holley carb & parts, new Hooker headers & 3" dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers, new aluminum radiator, Accel Super Coil, SpeedPro '340' type camshaft w/ 114 degree, double roller timing set, driveshaft loop, an original A-Body 8-3/4" rear axle with clutch type sure-grip & 3.91:1 gears, though it does have aftermarket big bolt pattern axles & 3" Moroso wheels studs - I also still have the originals small bolt pattern pieces, not to mention the car is in great shape and has a mint 1971 grille in it...


1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: feets] #621748
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Also we have a 1941 Dodge 2-door sedan set up very similar to the way our Dart is, except the '41 is a 4-speed with a larger .484"(I) / .491"(E) lift camshaft and a different intake manifold we purchased at a swap meet a few years ago for only $125.00 that was already set up for a supercharger. It has extra support mounts welded to the rear runners for supporting the supercharger/supercharger plate and a blow off valve/plate set-up on the side of it.
The intake started out life as an Offenhauser aluminum 4-bbl. single plane low profile manifold.
This carb & crappy air cleaner is just for moving it around the yard/shop lot when the supercharger set-up isn't installed.
With the way I mount them it only takes about 25 minutes to swap from supercharged to carbureted (or vise~versa) if you have all the parts/tools ready.
It's nice not to have to swap intakes and worry about gaskets, coolant, or oil.
The supercharger set-up we use on this car is a polished SBC kit we bought from someone who had a show car and decided not to use the supercharger set-up. Bought the entire thing brand new for $1,000.00. A pretty good deal, but more then I wanted to pay. However that new polished set-up looks pretty sexy.





















1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: daniel_depetro] #621749
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Interesting dissertation but when I asked about spending money on a manifold, I was referred to the aluminum race engine with a cheesey blower adaptor. I thought it was kinda silly to drop all that coin then short cut the manifold.


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Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: daniel_depetro] #621750
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awsome story!THANK YOU FOR SHARING!

Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: blownzoom440] #621751
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Sorry guys, sometimes I get a little carried away posting car porn.
While I'm at it here's a few more supercharged engines we have:

Supercharged 392 HEMI (closest) & supercharged 354 HEMI:







The stock 1968 440 we are putting the Dick Landy Industries 174 B&M supercharger set-up on during the nerve racking "making sure everything fits as it's suppose to after the prepaid purchase phase":









The 392 HEMI Nitro engine we bought for $2,000.00 this past summer in a package deal with a rust free 1971 Plymouth Satellite ($1,600.00):









We had to buy it as is and it turns out we did well. Finally cracked the 392 Nitro engine open the other day and it has all good stuff inside it and it's all brand new! A sweet piece of history being that it's all still 100% complete with all the race goodies (Gear drive, massive aluminum rods, forged pistons, highly machined crank, billet 4-bolt main caps, special oil pan, water flow nipples, magneto, fresh heads...) minus the blower & injection set-up. The intake manifold looks like it's more of a street version though so I think someone else put that on there along the way.




A few more engines:






Now to get them all into cars for some use & abuse!


1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: moparply] #621752
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ive always wanted one of these little blowers on my 440 but im running the 6 pack lower end with eddy heads im around 10:1 CR

thats too much for boost......right?


Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: coronet1966d] #621753
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Little meth injection would help that and add insurance against any tuning mishaps.


11.67@118 1.88 60' with only 7-8 lbs of boost. Turbocharged, megasquirted, 407 BB, 440 source heads, roller cam, 9:1 comp. http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/beansgracie
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: coronet1966d] #621754
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ive always wanted one of these little blowers on my 440 but im running the 6 pack lower end with eddy heads im around 10:1 CR

thats too much for boost......right?





with the e-heads you might be ok. Meth will help as well. back the timing up and you'll need 177. FWIW you can use a 671 and a single 4bbl too.

Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: Mr.Yuck] #621755
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Hey daniel depetro, you ever gonna sell one of those B&M 174/177 blowers? I really am in need of one...


408 Stroker 533 HP 520 FT LBS...........................1970 Dart RMS AlterKation
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: mopardude318] #621756
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Heres mine,a DLI kit that was bought from Ron.
It had "issues",but its all good now.
makes 5lbs boost on a stock 440 w/.509 MP cam.
Stock converter and 3.55 rear ran a 12.03@111mph leaving part throttle and uphill.
Pretty happy with .Drives REALLY nice and 14mpg IF you behave.
Thought about trying to sell it,but I have a small fortune it now with all the machine work to fix the problems.


70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
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68` Satellite


70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: 6bblFLASH] #621758
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Two ideas come to mind here. Mill a set of adapters to attach the Chevy intake to the Mopar heads. Probably more work than it's worth. run the new Indy Mod Man intake. Or like what has been stated here, run it on a single 4 barrel intake. Though my blower is bigger., It is a 6V-71 (not a 6-71) which in layman's term is 366 cu/in blower. Mild 340@3875lbs it runs 11.0@123.
Doug

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Re: B&M Supercharger [Re: 6bblFLASH] #621759
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Heres mine,a DLI kit that was bought from Ron.
It had "issues",but its all good now.
makes 5lbs boost on a stock 440 w/.509 MP cam.
Stock converter and 3.55 rear ran a [Email]12.03@111mph[/Email] leaving part throttle and uphill.
Pretty happy with .Drives REALLY nice and 14mpg IF you behave.
Thought about trying to sell it,but I have a small fortune it now with all the machine work to fix the problems.




Flash that cam is not ideal for boost. As a matter of fact is totally all wrong for it. I bet you drop a 1/2 second on your et w/ a cam change...

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Quote:

Quote:

Heres mine,a DLI kit that was bought from Ron.
It had "issues",but its all good now.
makes 5lbs boost on a stock 440 w/.509 MP cam.
Stock converter and 3.55 rear ran a [Email]12.03@111mph[/Email] leaving part throttle and uphill.
Pretty happy with .Drives REALLY nice and 14mpg IF you behave.
Thought about trying to sell it,but I have a small fortune it now with all the machine work to fix the problems.




Flash that cam is not ideal for boost. As a matter of fact is totally all wrong for it. I bet you drop a 1/2 second on your et w/ a cam change...




It has 114 c/l,and I picked up 3-10ths when I swapped out the Summit 6401{the one everyone suggested} and put in this one.
Bigger exhaust is my next try,2-1/2 in may be too small
I have to keep in mind a 12-flat for the east coast is a 12.30 or .40 here or worse. Quaker City is 1,260ft. elevation and actually goes uphill the last 300ft.
So my 12.03 here would be 11.70`s or better say in Maryland

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