Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: moparclown]
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05/29/08 07:35 PM
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Hey Moparclown - thanks, don't know if this helps you out any, but in my opinion the 043 are not original for a '70 340 Chally. Here's why. Plymouth had a soft spot, it seems, for the 340 'Cuda. Giving unto them, the above standard items, among many others. The small block was quite a performer in an E Body once given those goodies. 0-60mph times were basically equal to a Hemi then faded hard in the second half of the 1320. I owned a '70 340 'Cuda and sold it later, but I did keep the rear axle (3.55 Sure grip) and leaf springs. The 024/034's that I inquired of. I learned most everyhing I know from Mopar mags written by those who know what I don't. Among the things I learned was the S15 XHD suspension given to 340 'Cuda's. Since 70440+6BBl has confirmed what I thought - that they are 'Hemi' springs, I would only surmise they were original to the car, just as I had learned in the early 90's. It may be that when I take the original springs from my 383's rear axle next weekend I will find it has the 043 springs too. Again - 044 is the code on the BCS. Did Dodge have a soft spot for the 340 cars too, I think so, even if Plymouth gave the 340 as a no cost option and Dodge charged extra! Hope this helps any, don't take my word alone, maybe someone can tell us both for sure. Have a blast this summer with that Chally of yours Moparclown.
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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05/29/08 09:00 PM
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Dodge had a soft spot, but I guess it wasn't for their 340 cars. If Barry is right, and I'm not at all questioning this, then the S15 susp with 024/034 springs were optional on Challys and not standard. So that 043 springs were standard fare for 340 Challengers, not 340 'Cudas. There is only the question of a non-R/T 340 Challenger V8 vs a real 340 R/T and to which spring was standard, maybe both came standard with 043 and 024/034 was optional on both? With a little more investigation Moparclown...you can find out for sure - unless the answer was just given by our good man Barry W. Thanks guys.
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: ebodyseast]
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05/29/08 10:05 PM
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Now we're talkin' - it pays to keep diggin' for the truth. The info just provided is much needed and goes beyong just the AAR springs and their part numbers. The AAR springs are 4 1/2 leaves, but special, they add a height increase to rear for clearance for the side exit exhaust. Thanks for taking the time to upload all those BCS's 70440+6bbl, cool brother.
The Challenger with the 383 2bbl, L code, it has 043 springs listed. Maybe I am missing something here, but they may be a standard vs HD standard compared to my 044 code. Will be good to know if the 044 code is actually standard HD springs for conv.'s.
No problem Is your 044 spring car a ragtop???
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: ebodyseast]
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05/29/08 10:12 PM
05/29/08 10:12 PM
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Alaskan_TA
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There is only the question of a non-R/T 340 Challenger V8 vs a real 340 R/T
The 340 was not available in a R/T in 1970.
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: ebodyseast]
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05/29/08 11:08 PM
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I know convertibles had heavier rate rear springs because of the additional weight & I thought A/C had something to do with rear springs also but I guess not. EDIT - I added a few, thought I had some convertibles (somewhere?). Axle packages "upped" the springs on 340/383 cars. Went thru a bunch of b'cast sheets:
JH23C - 013/013 JH23C - S13 - 042/042 JH23G - 014/014 JH27G - 015/015 JH23H - S13 - 043/043 JH27H - S13 - 044/044 JH23J - S13 - 048/048 JH23L - S13 - 043/043 JH23N - S15 - 034/024 JS23N - S13 - 043/043 JS23N - S15 - 034/024 JS27N - S13 - 044/044 JS29N - S13 - 043/043 JS23U - S15 - 034/024 JS23U - A36 - S15 - 034/024 JS23V - S15 - 034/024 JS23V - A32 - S15 - 034/024 JS23V - A33 - S15 - 034/024 JS23V - A34 - S15 - 034/024 JS29V - A36 - S15 - 034/024 JS23R - S15 - 034/024 JS23R - A32 - S15 - 034/024 JS23R - A33 - S15 - 034/024 JS23R - A34 - S15 - 034/024 JS27R - A34 - S15 - 034/024
BH23B - 013/013 BH23G - 014/014 BP23G - 014/014 BH27G - 015/015 BS23H - S13 - 043/043 BS23H - A31 - S15 - 034/024 BS27H - S13 - 044/044 BS23J - S13 - 048/048 BS23N - S13 - 043/043 BS23U - S15 - 034/024 BS23U - A36 - S15 - 034/024 BS23V - A32 - S15 - 034/024 BS23V - A34 - S15 - 034/024 BS23R - A33 - S15 - 034/024 BS23R - A34 - S15 - 034/024
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: 6bblgt]
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05/29/08 11:15 PM
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All 1970 cars, the spring numbers are listed first;
Edit, new larger list;
013 & 013 - BH23C, JH23B, JH23C,
014 & 014 - BH23G, BH23L, BP23G, BP23L, JH23G, JH23L, JH27C, JH29G
015 & 015 - BH27G, BP27G, JH27G, JH27L
034 & 024 - BS23H, BS23N, BS23R, BS23U, BS23V, JH27N, JS23N, JS23U, JS23R, JS23V, JS27V, JS29U, JS29V
034 & 014 - BS23V (the 1 is likely a typo)
042 & 042 - JH23C,
043 & 043 - BH23G, BS23H, BS23N, BS23U, BS23R, BP23G, BP23N, JH23H, JH23G, JH23L, JH23N, JH29G, JS23N, JS23R, JS23U, JS23V, JS29N, JS29U, JS29V,
044 & 044 - BS27H, BS27N, BP27G, JH23H, JH27H, JH27G, JH27L, JH27N, JS27N, JS27V
048 & 048 - BS23J, JH23J
072 & 072 - VH29B, VL29C, VL29G
073 & 073 - VL41C, VL41G
081 & 081 - VS29H
If anyone has a broadcast sheet for a 1970 Hamtramck car showing a combination not listed above, please scan it and send me a copy?
Barry
Last edited by Alaskan_TA; 05/30/08 12:03 AM.
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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05/30/08 12:21 AM
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Uh huh - like I said weeks ago, surround your self with the best, you'll get where you want to be. Thanks guys, I bet Moparclown feels the same. As these are just a bunch of numbers, I'll take the step to try to decipher them. We see the conv's get the heavier rated 044 springs to their 043 HT counterpart. We also see that 340 Challenger V8's have 2 springs offered. The 043, that may be original to Moparclown's 340 - I'll go ahead and sign off on that, especially as he feels that they are just that - and the 044 for Conv AND HT. We see NO convs with the 043 springs, as well. Barry ( ) shows a few 318 cars that came with the 043's that the 383 R/T's & 'Cudas came with, impressive. Even 318 conv's that have the 044 springs, impressed again. Also seen is that all cars listed lacking S15 susp also lack the 024/034 'Hemi' springs. I think I saw a 340 'Cuda lacking S15 susp...just as was told to me by 70440+6bbl earlier - would be after the period in the model year also mentioned. Good stuff guys, thanks too to Dan ( ) for his time to help us out here to learn by comparison. -------------------------------------------------- I've only been wrong once. That's when I thought I was wrong....but I was really right! East
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Re: AAR rear springs
[Re: cataclysm80]
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06/05/08 08:26 PM
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Here's the thread conv440, hope it helps.
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