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Oil Accumulator users right here #602998
02/03/10 08:35 PM
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I hate to say this but I need to get in gear and get this stuff in.. Time is starting to catch up, and 3 months isnt that long really...
I plan to run a oil accumulator. I have NOT run one in the past. Im looking at the Canton's cause the match my paint LOL..

I would really like a electric valve control. I know some of these from what I understand doesn't open fast, and for pre-oiling only...Well I don't want that kind and I know to watch out when buying.
So right now Im looking at the 20-25 LBS electric valves style? Should I choose a diff one? At least a two quart version maybe three?
Also
How did you plumb these into your oil supply?
I have duel line system that uses a spin on filter. I was thinking there was a sandwich filter adapter available. It would be the easiest to plumb, I plan to mount the accumulator in front of the radiator, so a short line through the rad support down low will keep everything neat and uncluttered.
So if anyone here uses the manual valve, how do you like it?
If anyone has a part number on a adapter that would be great..I dont know if the oil cooler adapters will work or not?
This block has a oil port near the front of the block, but I am using it for one of the duel line system ports. I dont know how well this would work plumbing it to one of the oil galleys in the back of the block...Not to mention the clutter of having a probably a minimal -8AN line and probably needs a -10 really.

This valve
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CTR-24-271/
This accumulator
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CTR-24-006/


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bob_Coomer] #602999
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I have a Master Lube I have it plumed in on the outer cover of the oil pump where the line from the oil pan hooks up.I have it going in on the top side of pump.I think the oil pump is better than on the back of block.I have the tank mounted on the deflecter plate(back of seat).


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: MRMOPAR622] #603000
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...I think the oil pump is better than on the back of block.I have the tank mounted on the deflecter plate(back of seat).



I disagree, respectfully. Any time I have seen an oiling problem where an accumulator would help IMO, it has been in the rear of the engine. You be forcing cooler, higher pressure, unaerated oil backward thru the system thru a shorter path to trouble prone areas.

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...I think the oil pump is better than on the back of block.I have the tank mounted on the deflecter plate(back of seat).



I disagree, respectfully. Any time I have seen an oiling problem where an accumulator would help IMO, it has been in the rear of the engine. You be forcing cooler, higher pressure, unaerated oil backward thru the system thru a shorter path to trouble prone areas.




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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Cab_Burge] #603002
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I run a Moroso 3 qt accumulator with Moroso's electric solenoid valve, Indy billet pump cover with spin on filter adapter, to a single swinging pick up.
I have the valve on a 3 position switch. 0N/OFF/ON momentary. I flip the momentary on to prime engine and flip the switch to "on" before I stage the car.
While the switch is in the off position and the car is running, the engine will pressurize the accumulator to the highest oil pressure the engine sees. Then it is ready to prime the next start up.
I have the line plumbed into the filter adapter on the Indy pump cover.
I really like the priming aspect of it.

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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bigbeep] #603003
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I am installing a canton 3 qt this week using the electric valve with the 20-25 psi switch I am pluming it into my remote filter.


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bigbeep] #603004
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I have a milodon remote filter cover plate set up. The 3qt.accusump is plumbed with a #8 line and tee's in where the out going filter line goes into the pump/block . I have the electric valve that will fluctuate with the pressure so it is open when the ignition switch is on. I don't know why someone would want to wait until their oil pressure dropped to 20-25 lbs before the valve would open. But thats me. Mine is mounted on the front frame stiffening pipe. electric valves can be bought off e-bay from valve venders for a fraction of what canton or moroso sell theirs for. Just make sure it's sized correctly and rated for temp and oil.



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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: rowin4] #603005
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the duel line system I am running uses this fitting on the block to provide on of the lines to the swinging pickup in the pan. (other is coming from the pump cover..
Anyways
Can I just add a T here? one still going to the swinging pickup as before, but the other going to the accumulator?


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bob_Coomer] #603006
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Like mine, I believe that port supplies the oil to the pump. If by chance your pump failed. the oil from the accumilator would seek the easiest path and that would be back to the pan. I'm going to use a similar remote filter as I have now on my hemi.


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bob_Coomer] #603007
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Like stated above using fitting will most likely result in oil just going to the pan period. Use the one on the back of the block, easy way that works. Or use the filter housing if going remote. I use the filter mount on the B1 on my Hemi I went with the nack of the block.


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here #603009
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have the electric valve that will fluctuate with the pressure so it is open when the ignition switch is on. I don't know why someone would want to wait until their oil pressure dropped to 20-25 lbs before the valve would open. But thats




I am using a 4 PORT filter base plumbed into the same side as th oil returns to block.
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wow Fred
You just saved me a butt load of money...that place has electric valves (Viton) for under $40


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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: Bob_Coomer] #603010
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We use Moroso 3 qt with electric selinoids.Mine and others are plumbed into the fitting on the Indy cover plate and feeds the block.Don's and Pap Ross'is plumbed to their remote oil filter housing.

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I have mine plumbed into the remote oil filter as well. I actually mounted mine in the windshield washer well. Its a tight squeeze but it fits and you don't even know it is there unless you notice the hose coming through the firewall.


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Can someone post a photo of where it should be plumbed on the back of the block?

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Is this a oil galley feed? Sure looks like it. And looks like it goes right to the cam,and mains in a hurry?



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I looked at that port on my block but didn't investigate where it went. Put some air to it and let us know. There should be 2 tapped holes at the top rear of the block for the other oil feeds.



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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: rowin4] #603015
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Is there enough meat on the rear 2 oil ports to tap one larger for the Accusump feed line??I just don't see that little orifice being able to flow enough oil to save my junk in the event of oil pump failure


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I looked at that port on my block but didn't investigate where it went. Put some air to it and let us know. There should be 2 tapped holes at the top rear of the block for the other oil feeds.










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Re: Oil Accumulator users right here [Re: rowin4] #603017
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I looked at that port on my block but didn't investigate where it went. Put some air to it and let us know. There should be 2 tapped holes at the top rear of the block for the other oil feeds.





I will let you know this weekend. It appears to be a 1/4 NPT, and if you look close there is one in the same galley line on the side of the block..
But as Cab said will a little 1/4 NPT flow enough oil to help? I say yes I bet the 1/4 npt measures near 1/2" in diameter or close..And looks like it goes straight to were its needed. Instead as mentioned going through a filter then through the block finding the mains and rods..
Now I dont see why a -12AN would even be needed going to these small NPT ports. I might just go with -8AN which would be idea for the 1/4 NPT...I dont know if they even make 1/4 NPT to -12 or -10 AN adapters.
The -8AN line and setup would carry the fluid longer, and for more of a time duration, thats for sure.

I might just be a Guinna pig and try this accumulator in this fashion..
Mount it in front of the radiator support, this would use a couple of 90's and a short 2' foot or so -8 hose to the port on the side of the block with another 90°....


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