Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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Also what is known about this car? Looks to be steel 64 Hemi car, pic enclosed. Hood appears to be Hemi not Maxi. Owner or driver Bill Dill. Note: picture description stated early 64. How early? That I do not know, but it was racing a 64 Thunderbolt. I also have a theory that indeed some cars were replacements for Maxi cars.
Here are somemore 64 Plymouth hardtops that were posted before on Moparts. In the first pic, this is a real 64 Hemi Plymouth hardtop racing a 64 thunder-bolt, and I believe the owner was from Minnesota.
I'm not sure about these other two pics though because there were several racers that raced 64 Dodge & Plymouth hardtops, be it max-wedge or hemi cars, and would be real hard to document them just by old photo's unless you personally knew of the car.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4864489-scan0029_001.jpg
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4865455-2017261-TRITAK1.jpg
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4883969-scan0258-vi.jpg
I also recall Dave Wren racing a 64 Plymouth hardtop out of the north-west.
Depsite the hood scoop, the Tritak & Morgan car was a Max Wedge as far as I know, and so was Luke Garner's Gratiot Auto Supply car.
Dave Wren raced the '64 Plymouth as a one year only rule change thing in 1969. It started off as a plain old Fury hardtop according to Dave Koffel, who built the car for him.
Correct,I knew Luke very well always a Max Wedge.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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(Race&Resto) - The Ramchargers race team had a couple of 64 Dodge's, one was a 64 max-wedge hardtop, and the other was a 64 Hemi sedan 2% car.
(sixpakdodge) - I believe the 2% car started out as a Max Wedge.
I personally don't think it ever had a max-wedge engine in it, or at least raced with one, because I've never seen any old photo's to confirm this. But I do believe this 64 Dodge sedan was slated to become a max-wedge car, because it had a max-wedge scoop on it, but it never made it out the door. I believe it was given to the Ramcharger's team and converted to the first Hemi mule car.
That's my theory, unless someone can provide some photo's of this 64 Ramcharger sedan with a max-wedge engine shot? Infact I could have bought this 64 Hemi sedan from an Iowa seller in the late 80's, but Mike Guffey eventually ended up buying it about a year later. I talked with him several times over the next couple of years about this car, we discussed several things on it and he told me there was no VIN plate or fender tag on the car, and he did find a November/63 build date under the rear package tray.
So take that info for what it is, unless someone knows one of the Ramcharger team members that remembers how this car was built exactly? It would be interesting to find out the build dates of the other 64 Dodge & Plymouth 2% cars, (four cars were built, two Dodge's & two Plymouth's).
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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(Race&Resto) - The Ramchargers race team had a couple of 64 Dodge's, one was a 64 max-wedge hardtop, and the other was a 64 Hemi sedan 2% car.
(sixpakdodge) - I believe the 2% car started out as a Max Wedge.
I personally don't think it ever had a max-wedge engine in it, or at least raced with one, because I've never seen any old photo's to confirm this. But I do believe this 64 Dodge sedan was slated to become a max-wedge car, because it had a max-wedge scoop on it, but it never made it out the door. I believe it was given to the Ramcharger's team and converted to the first Hemi mule car.
That's my theory, unless someone can provide some photo's of this 64 Ramcharger sedan with a max-wedge engine shot? Infact I could have bought this 64 Hemi sedan from an Iowa seller in the late 80's, but Mike Guffey eventually ended up buying it about a year later. I talked with him several times over the next couple of years about this car, we discussed several things on it and he told me there was no VIN plate or fender tag on the car, and he did find a November/63 build date under the rear package tray.
So take that info for what it is, unless someone knows one of the Ramcharger team members that remembers how this car was built exactly? It would be interesting to find out the build dates of the other 64 Dodge & Plymouth 2% cars, (four cars were built, two Dodge's & two Plymouth's).
All 4 of the 2% cars started off as Max Wedges.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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02/03/10 05:58 PM
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All 4 of the 2% cars started off as Max Wedges.
They were MW BODIES but became the first Hemi cars. All had Hemi's installed and were tested in Calif. a week before the Winternats and as Cahill told me "They couldn't fall out of a tree". All four 2% cars were single headlite with MW Scoops. The 2% is a misnomer, they were more than 2% - They were the first Factory AWB's ! Reed in Neb.
Reed, do you know what any of the build/ship dates are on the 2% cars?
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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64 S/S Hemi Plymouth, 1963 4-Door (13.5-1) Max Wedge Savoy, 69-440 Dart 10.20 et 132 mph on the footbrake, 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 turbo diesel, 69-440-6 Roadrunner, 05 Hemi Magnum, 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 P/u, 2005 Viper, 98' Town & Country.
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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02/04/10 04:02 PM
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shipping date info from DD's books: 330 Dodge sedans (55 cars) - May 13th to June 13th 440 Dodge hardtops (35 cars) - June 11th to August 18th Belvedere Plymouth hardtops (35 cars) - June 15th to July 21st The last 10 cars are all "white" with "gold" interior Dodges (bewtween 7/27 to 8/18), all completed after the last Plymouth. Five are "company cars", does anyone have info on a known car that is listed as a "company car"? What was the deal, how did this work? Four of the remaining cars went to the same dealership. region # - 33 (Philadelphia) dealer # - 56031 Reedman Dodge Inc. Langhorn, PA None of the Plymouth hardtops are listed as "company cars". Did the Plymouth Dealership network do a better job of promoting/selling these cars?
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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02/04/10 08:29 PM
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You have to remember as well that the Hemi's had the inverted shock towers where the Max Wedges did not, so they could not be "leftover Max Wedge" bodies. This wouldn't even be possible if you think about it. The cars came down the line with every other Slant 6, 318, 361 and etc. They were not sequentially tagged.
The only reason I could see these cars being built is to sway Nascar, since the teams were running hardtops in '64.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I said these cars were left over max-wedge bodies, perhaps I should have said they were "max-wedge ordered cars". The reason I said this is because it is a known fact that some customers that had placed a order for a new max-wedge car, but they received a new Race Hemi instead! So technically wouldn't that now mean that the max-wedge ordered cars were now modified with the shock towers, hemi hood scoops, etc. Does that make any more sense now?
There may be something to your other point though, does anyone out there know if the 64 Nascar rules said anything on the total number of cars needed to be build before you were allowed to race, (just like the 69-70 wing car rule.)
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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops
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I wish someone would step up with the dealer codes, we might be able to figure something out.
So the other dark turquoise metallic/4-spd '64 HEMI Dodge 440 HT is 62422395xx and was shipped to REGION-31 (BOSTON) at DEALER-#56719 which is/was Al's Auto Sales Inc. on Saybrook Rd. in Middletown, Connecticut.
It's a two way street - having the opportunity to ask the right person the right question with the desire to learn something.
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