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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.
If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.   
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
[Re: 383man]
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01/28/10 12:21 AM
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There is a black auto SRT challenger with 2000? miles for sale where I work for $37,000 if any one is looking for one.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 12:30 AM
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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.
If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.
I thought the only Mustang that could outrun the Hemi Challenger R/T and SRT's was the supercharged one ?? Ron
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
[Re: 383man]
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01/28/10 12:33 AM
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I love the Challenger, but IMO get the Mustang ,faster, cheaper.
If your going to get a new Mustang GT you might as well wait until the 2011 ones are available with the 400 plus HP 5.0 V8.
Dodge better get their act together or their Hemi is going to be outperformed by GM and Furd's V6 engines.
I thought the only Mustang that could outrun the Hemi Challenger R/T and SRT's was the supercharged one ?? Ron
In 2011 the Mustang GT is getting the return of the 5.0 litre V8 engine with 400 plus (non aspirated) horsepower. The entry level V6 Mustang engine is reported to be rated at 315 HP.
If Furd prices it like it's current GT Mustang it's going to be an awesome bang for the buck musclecar.
The 2011 Shelby GT350 is going to have the supercharger on the 5.0 engine should be 550 or more horspower.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 12:53 PM
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The new Mustang is going to be a GREAT bang for the buck in it's new version....still is in it's current version. Problem with the 6.1 is it's "old"...no wonder we are behind in today's versions. The other guys have had 5 years to catch up, and are finally starting too. Face it, the SRT vehicles ruled for years for the price you paid for the package you got. But the SRT motor is in need of a re-do. Rumors say a 6.4L is coming to replace the 6.1. I think it's a Bass Ackwards way to do it...bigger is not the key like it was back in the day. They should just beef up the motor to take 10lbs of boost and be done with it. A S/C SRT will eat a GT500 every day....all while being a WAY better total package, while being cheaper as well - albeit you have to do mods to your new vehicle to do it...and do it thru the aftermarket. If GM releases the Z-28, even with a 6.4L, we'll still get wiped. Well, those off the showroom floor anyway 
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 01:18 PM
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(One thing that (besides the price) dissuaded me from the SRT8 was the lack of warranty. The dealer told me the power train warranty on the SRT8 did not exist.) The 2009 SRT came with the standard 3/36 warranty powertrain included. The R/T and Classic had the lifetime warranty for the original owner.  ALL I haven't had mine to the Strip  Maybe this spring 
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 03:14 PM
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Hey mrrandyj, Can you post a few pictures of your Challenger??
Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 06:11 PM
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Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.
No mods planned right now. To be honest, I am really disappointed with the car at the moment because of the wheel hop, that takes almost all the fun out of driving it. Its to bad because everything else about the car I love, but the wheel hop kind of ruins it for me.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 07:07 PM
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The new 6.4L is going to be a VCT engine (like the current 5.7). It gets better fuel economy than the 6.1 and make gobs more power.
True, depending how you look at it. From what I hear, the 6.4L is a go for the 2011's 2500 / 3500 Rams with a reported 450 HP. What will it have in an SRT?...and what do you consider "gobs" more power? If it gets rated at 500 HP, I'd be surprised....and it's still not enough IMO. All it's gonna do is give Chrysler an "excuse" to charge another 10k for an SRT.
S/C'ed 6.1's put out easily over 500 at the WHEELS on 5-6 psi on a otherwise 100% stock machine. That is how they should have gone.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 08:52 PM
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Hey Randy, I usually dont like red cars but yours is BEAUTIFUL!!!! It looks VERY boss looking!!! You plan on any mods to the outside of the car like different wheels,hood,stripes??
Looks like the Coronet will be sitting in the garage alot!!! As soon as good weather breaks,would love to stop by and see it in person.
No mods planned right now. To be honest, I am really disappointed with the car at the moment because of the wheel hop, that takes almost all the fun out of driving it. Its to bad because everything else about the car I love, but the wheel hop kind of ruins it for me.
Theres no suspension parts you can get to fix the problem?? Where did you buy it from?? You gonna take me for a ride this summer?? 
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 10:54 PM
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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.
Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/28/10 10:58 PM
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Theres no suspension parts you can get to fix the problem?? Where did you buy it from?? You gonna take me for a ride this summer??
No one offers anything yet that eliminates the wheel hop. Hopefully by spring someone will have something, but I am not counting on it. Sure, i'll take you for a ride when the weather gets nice.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/29/10 12:39 AM
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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.
Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg
Wow - that's nasty.
FYI - pushing and holding the ESP button until you hear the chime and the EVIC displays "ESP Disabled" does NOT completly turn the system off...it is still very much present.
Try this: while driving about 5-10 mph, push and hold the start button. All the electrical stuff (radio, heater blower, etc.) will go off for a sec or two (they come back on - don't worry). After that, you will hear a chime and the ESP AND BAS (brake assist system) lights will come on. That turns the system off. The brakes get applied as part of the ESP system, and holding the button does not turn the BAS system off.
It isn't going to help the wheel hop...but you should feel a significant difference in the way the car performs.
I got a key in the Charger so I turn and hold the key.
This trick only works on late '07's and up.
It still doesn't work as good as disabling EVERYTHING with the Diablo...it turns it all off...even ABS. All Torque management is gone. The shifts are nuts. Some people on the new forums don't like it cause it turns the ABS off...I tell them still better then driving a stroked 440 with 10" drums
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2016 Challenger Hellcat - Holy Hell
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/29/10 12:48 AM
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Way off topic but have you tryed disabling the traction control. Hold the button 10 seconds to totaly disable. Wheel hop will be greatly reduced if not completely gone.
Yes, I have tried it with the traction control disabled and also with the ESP completely disabled (holding the button for 10 seconds) The wheel hop is bad either way. Take a look at this youtube video. This is not my car, but another SRT 6-speed Challenger from the west coast. This shows how bad the wheel hop is in these cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfIxzhj0GCg
Thats BAD!!!!! Put me in the back seat,it wont wheel hop!!!! 
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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Wheelhop is the bane of the GTO too. So far the one thing that seems to help the most is having one axle shaft a larger diameter than the other. It supposedly cancels out the harmonics that cause the wheelhop. Other things that have been tried with some success are air bags and/or stiffer springs. I am lucky. So far my Goat shows no signs of wheelhop. IRS in a car that will be used for drag racing sucks for sure. G Force Engineering does IRS parts for the GM cars. Maybe they will get into the Challengers too.
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/29/10 10:07 AM
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Is the wheel hop problem just on prepared surfaces
ie: Dragstrip or does it happen on all types of surface
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Re: R/T Challenger vs SRT..1/4 times
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01/29/10 05:47 PM
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Is the wheel hop problem just on prepared surfaces
ie: Dragstrip or does it happen on all types of surface
It happens on any surface. I got stuck in the rain with the car once, and it wheel hopped just as bad on the wet roads as it does anywhere else.
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