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Re: A66
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/20/10 06:16 PM
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They are coded for Challengers that had them as standard equipment. 
A66 cars & T/As have nothing in the wheel lip box.
 Many Thanks for correcting me Barry!! I'm Very Sorry if I've confused anyone with my incorrect statement above. I'm going to edit it out now so that it doesn't confuse anyone who runs across this thread in the future.
I guess I was thinking about how standard things like 2 speed wiper motors and non rallye gauges aren't coded on the sheet.
I've just looked at about 20 Challenger broadcast sheets, and they ARE coded M26 for wheel lip moldings. I also looked at 4 TA sheets, and 5 A66 sheets, and none of those had the wheel lip moldings marked on the sheet.
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/20/10 06:36 PM
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As far as the flat hood / sport hood goes, I would love to see more early broadcast sheets for these cars. A broadcast sheet showing A01 with L31 would indicate a flat hood car. I do not have a sheet showing that - yet.
All A66 cars...
SPD A06, without J54 code, with A01, without L31
SPD A28, can't read J54 area, can't read A01 area, without L31
SPD 219, with J54, without A01, without L31
SPD 220, with J54, without A01, without L31
SPD 730, with J54, without A01, without L31
That probably doesn't help much, but that's what I've got on the subject.
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/20/10 07:13 PM
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Also, are the hood springs different? I would think that a flat hood is a little bit lighter? If so, it may have used a lighter weight spring.
Can you guys with known original hoods count the coils & give the outer diameter of your springs for each hood type?
I researched some of that a couple years back. Here's a quote from my thread on the subject...
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I guess while I'm on the topic of springs, I'll post the data for steel hood springs also.
barracuda: 24 coils, .215 spring thickness (with paint), 1 3/4 outside diameter, 5 1/8 long (without hooks)
challenger: 22 coils, .240 spring thickness (with paint), 1 15/16 outside diameter, 5 1/4 long (without hooks)
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Found this in another thread and thought I'd post it here also since it's relevant.
Barnabas_Kriss wrote...
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Actually for the steel hoods, there are two kinds of springs, I researched this in the 70-71 factory parts book, and confirmed it on cars I owned/parted. One is 23 coils, used on 70 cuda/barracuda only. The other one is 18 coils, (wound from a thicker wire) used on 70 challengers, and all 71-74 E-bodies. This applies to all steel hoods (flat/rally/shaker).
Perhaps we've counted our coils differently, It can be tricky deciding if you should count the first and last ones with the hooks on them. Anyway, I thought I'd let everyone know this this needs looked into just a little more, and maybe a picture posted here showing a comparison.
Tav
Those spring measurements that I posted were from my 1970 'Cuda with J54 hood, and my 1970 Challenger with (early build no crumple zone) flat hood.
Here's a link to that old thread about springs if anyone's interested...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post4202935
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/20/10 08:06 PM
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Anyone know the weights for both hoods?
I just happened to have a digital scale that I use for shipping UPS everyday, and a few hoods off of cars at the moment. Here's what I got...
1970 Challenger Flat hood (early build without crumple zones) totally stripped without any emblems, trim, etc., weighed 69 pounds.
1970 'Cuda J54 hood including latch bar, hood pin bezels, engine callout emblems, and both complete scoop inserts, also weighed 69 pounds.
ASC&P reproduction T/A hood totally stripped without any trim, squirters, etc., weighed 46 pounds.
The reproduction T/A hood is supposed to have some extra reinforcing, but should still be fairly representative of approximately what a T/A hood Weighs.
I was pretty surprised to see the two steel hoods weighed the same, even though they used different springs. I guess the scoops on the 'cuda hood made up for the weight of the extra front overhang on a challenger hood.
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: autoxcuda]
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02/21/10 10:58 AM
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A66, Western Sport Special, BL1 Beige, Tan interior,gator Grain top, AND Tan bumble bee stripe. Here's one for KissAlien's files if he doesn't allready have it.
Wow, what a cool car! 
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/21/10 12:25 PM
02/21/10 12:25 PM
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Sad that it was cloned it into a T/A.
The original combination was much nicer.
He had a one of one and cloned it 
and now wants $50k for a clone.  Sad indeed
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Re: A66
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02/21/10 03:19 PM
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I tried to buy the car several years ago. The guy wouldn't sell, only wanted a trade which I didn't have. I don't know if the same guy cloned it into the T/A. Damn shame. 
Was it out in CA when it was still a project?
Sadder yet, if it was a real T/A, not numbers motor, auto, repro hood, driver-decent resto... it might only be worth $50K.
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Re: A66
[Re: cataclysm80]
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02/22/10 10:04 AM
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Some cars like the T/As & A66 cars, etc., were not supposed to come with the standard challenger wheel well moldings. Those cars do not have a wheel well molding code on the broadcast sheet. Anyway, if such a car that wasn't supposed to have the moldings, did actually recieve them (possibly yours), then it was simply a mistake at the factory, and would still not be coded on the sheet.
Wheel well moldings were not optional on Challengers, so there was no way to special order them back onto your car if it was supposed to come without them.
Tav
I think you are missing one of the larger sources of wheel lip moldings on non-wheel lip molding cars, the dealer!!! One of my old T/As had moldings on it. When I spoke to the original owner he told me the dealer offered and he accepted the installation of WLMs along with the carpets on the bottoms of the door panels before he took delivery of the car. I'm sure this happened a lot in order to make a sale or make more money for the dealer.
Jeff
1970 Dodge Challenger T/A
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Re: A66
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02/23/10 12:00 PM
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I agree totaly that a dealer could have modified a new car from how it came from the factory. That's not much different than having the 1st owner modify the car, or the first owner taking it to another shop to have the car modified. It would still be modified/customized, and not factory. The problem is that it can be very hard to determine when a modification was made and by who. Was it the dealer, 1st owner, 2nd owner, 2nd dealer when the car was traded in, 3rd owner, how do you decide where to draw the line? It's really a personal preference thing I guess.
I'm all for dealer installed options or other modifications if you can show reasonable evidence that they've been part of the car since early in its life. (I'm particularly fond of dealer installed underdash air conditioners, and hood tachs.)
I just can't bring myself to say that it's normal for cars to be different from how the factory made them because dealers modified them before the 1st sale of the car. Yes, it's very possible the dealer could have changed something to suit a customer, but if we're trying to draw the line between what is "correct" and what isn't, then "as delivered by the factory" is a very crisp line, while "as sold by the dealer" is a very blurry line.
Tav
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Re: A66
[Re: ph23vo]
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03/15/10 11:34 PM
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here,s anohter one!
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63598.0.html
That's mine. To answer a couple of the questions in this thread... A24 SPD. I believe the grill and 1 headlight bucket I have are original and argent. The hood does not appear to have holes for the emblems. The original trunk lid is gone so I don't know if it had an emblem. No wheel lip moldings. I'll have to take a look at the front fenders lips but the driver's side is original and the passenger side is purple. There are no holes for a V8 emblem though.
Troy
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