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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: John_Kunkel] #562360
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Johm Kunkel do I have this correct: 64 pb vb is a diff vb than 64 console vb but 64 console vb is the same as 65 (console or column) vb ??.




Yes. The PB has only 5 gear positions with a separate Park lever, the console/column VB has the 6th position for Park.






My 65 Coronet had a console shifter with two cables, one going to the regular shift lever location, and one going to the back of the case. So it sounds like my console shift was set up like your pb shift?

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: dodgeram440] #562361
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if it was me, i'd just get a 65 floor shift column. you already have a working trans in the car


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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: Husker1] #562362
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I should have given a better description to start with - sorry. i have a '65 ply belvedere with a '78 727 (freshly rebuilt), i have a cheap floor shifter in it now. i would like to convert it back to the column (still has stock '65 two cable type) but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.


If you have a '78 or even a '68 torqueflite,it does not use a 2 cable shifter

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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: hemi-itis] #562363
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Now I remember my 65 dart w floor shifter had 2 cables as I cut both of them (yeah I know)I shouldn't have. On the pb/console/col VB tangent I am now thoroughly confused on which is which . The OP is up & running w a '78 727. I'd get a '66 up steering col w std rod linkage.


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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: RapidRobert] #562364
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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: hemi-itis] #562365
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I should have given a better description to start with - sorry. i have a '65 ply belvedere with a '78 727 (freshly rebuilt), i have a cheap floor shifter in it now. i would like to convert it back to the column (still has stock '65 two cable type) but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.


If you have a '78 or even a '68 torqueflite,it does not use a 2 cable shifter




I think the issue is that Husker1 (the OP) is wanting to get rid of his aftermarket floor shifter and go back to his original column shifter. Here he is weighing the option of replacing the transmission using a 64 tranny that he has found, so he can retain the stock column and use the original 2 cable shifter, or replace the column with a 66 model and use the tranny he currently has. Looks like he has some work ahead of him either way he goes. His best option all around is to just find a 65 transmission, then he doesn't have to adapt anything to make it work.

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: dodgeram440] #562366
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thanks dodgeram440, i would still like to know what it would take to swap to a '66 and up column. i need to take a trip to the junk yard and look at what is available.

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: Husker1] #562367
12/29/09 12:47 AM
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No problem Husker. It just aggrevates me sometimes when people don't read the posts they respond to, or just don't even offer any kind of reasonable answer to the questions asked. I admit I may not always offer the best answer, but at least I always try to answer the question to the best of my ability and understanding.

As great as the advice is usually here, I think sometimes a question comes up that no one has run into before, and I think that may be the issue here. It's possible that no one has had to, or wanted to, swap a 66 column into a 65. In a case like this, I think your best bet is to just go to the yard and look at a 66 and see how it compares.

The issues to look for, as I see it, are going to be overall length, how it bolts to the dash, the floorboard, and the connection to the steering shaft or box. The wiring shouldn't be too much of an issue as both cars still have the ignition key in the dashboard.

One other thing to grab from the 66 car would be the complete shift linkage from the column to the tranny, including any bushings and pivot points attached to the frame and engine/bellhousing. Also expect to do some fabrication. It may not fall right into place.

Good luck with the project!

BTW, what kind of aftermarket shifter do you have and why do you wanna get rid of it?

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: dodgeram440] #562368
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it is a hurst v-matic, came in the car when i bought it. for a street car it is pain - push this and pull that just to get it into drive. i want the interior to look like a A-990 car when i'm finished (like SUPERSTOCKRACER's car above - very nice BTW).

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will cables from a console car work with push buttons ?

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: GVH] #2515000
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No. Both ends are different.

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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: John_Kunkel] #2515050
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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
No. Both ends are different.
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been there done that on customers car at the races a long time ago, he swapped parts around and got the wrong tranny in 1965 A990 hemi car tsk
The cable end, rooster comb and I think the manual selector valve in the valve body needs to match, at least it did in that car shruggy


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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: John_Kunkel] #2515113
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Seems I read somewhere that the shift cables for a 64 console car and the cables for a 65 col.shift car are the same. right or wrong?

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: pushbutton] #2515123
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I believe your correct, it has been a long time, 20Yrs+, since I worked on any of those cars work


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Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: pushbutton] #2515336
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Originally Posted By pushbutton
Seems I read somewhere that the shift cables for a 64 console car and the cables for a 65 col.shift car are the same. right or wrong?


No, different cable ends and way different in length. Column cable has a short run from the column to the case but the console cable has to loop forward and then back into the case.

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Thanks fo clearing that up.

Re: 727 Push Button Question [Re: pushbutton] #2515815
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is there anyone out there making custom length cables for the shifter end ? or would i be better off shortening an original cable ?
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